While I don't mind the tank meta.

ApexInTheCircle·Jun 3, 2015·1 votes·667 views

I do mind them basically out damaging carry roles. Kind of leaves you scratching your head asking how?

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HorusEyeJun 3, 20154 votes

When people try to lie the fact that item 3035 item 3135 doesn't exist.

SEKAIJun 3, 20151 votes

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When people try to lie the fact that doesn't exist.

Don't forget item 3153 .

ApexInTheCircleJun 3, 20152 votes

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When people try to lie the fact that doesn't exist.

I don't know why you're bringing those up though, I mean even with them it doesn't stop the sheer amount of aoe CC and lock down that 3 tanks have. Game I just lost horribly had Braum, Naut and Sejuani. Those 3 by themselves 3v5 us and outdamaged us.

SEKAIJun 3, 20153 votes

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I don't know why you're bringing those up though, I mean even with them it doesn't stop the sheer amount of aoe CC and lock down that 3 tanks have. Game I just lost horribly had Braum, Naut and Sejuani. Those 3 by themselves 3v5 us and outdamaged us.

You built absolutely 0 defense, didn't even finish your boots. You were playing Viktor too, how do you expect yourself to survive?

In your team, Vi didn't build any defense, Riven didn't build any defense, nor did LB and Vayne. No Zhonya, no QSS, no HP, Armour or MR, nothing.

Ofc you lost, it's pretty obvious, your team was squishy as hell, you just don't live enough to deal any damage.

ApexInTheCircleJun 3, 20152 votes

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You built absolutely 0 defense, and didn't even finish your boots. You were playing Viktor too, how do you expect yourself to survive?

Your team besides Vi can't take any punishment at all, rest are Riven, LB and Vayne.

Vi didn't build any defense, Riven didn't build any defense, nor did LB and Vayne. No Zhonya, no QSS, nothing.

Ofc you lost, it's pretty obvious, your team was squishy as hell, you just don't live enough to deal any damage.

As an apc I cannot under any circumstances blow up a tank or hope to put a dent into them. I built what I could to handle a lucien and an ekko because we stood a far better chance with them gone.

That being said, no matter how much we could have built the amount of CC on their team basically meant we were never winning a team fight under any circumstances. With Sejuani ult + braum ult setting up for ekko's stun we couldn't move let alone fight back. At that point in the time no amount of defensive items were going to help us. Again reinstating that we built the way we did because it was our only chance of even surviving by dealing with the 2 squishies as quickly as possible.

SEKAIJun 3, 20152 votes

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As an apc I cannot under any circumstances blow up a tank or hope to put a dent into them. I built what I could to handle a lucien and an ekko because we stood a far better chance with them gone.

That being said, no matter how much we could have built the amount of CC on their team basically meant we were never winning a team fight under any circumstances. With Sejuani ult + braum ult setting up for ekko's stun we couldn't move let alone fight back. At that point in the time no amount of defensive items were going to help us. Again reinstating that we built the way we did because it was our only chance of even surviving by dealing with the 2 squishies as quickly as possible.

Your team comp spelt doom before the game had even begun, and your builds changed that into failure.

The only person who could take punishments on your team was Vi and she went 0 def together with you guys. Meaning, you had no frontlines, no one to take and catch enemy attention, no one to soak enemies' CC and damage and no one to lock enemies down in a reliable fashion and survive long enough to do other things. Ofc when TFs broke out you guys would just get massacred.

The mindset of "it's not my job to build survival items" is another factor to why you lost. If you're losing, at least build some form of defense, simple as that. Building more raw damage in a already losing situation only makes you lose harder, it's common sense. I literally don't see any MR, Armour, Zhonya, Qss or just HP anymore on your entire team's kit. How are you supposed to win with nothing but damage?

Not every team needs to be geared for teamfights, theirs were , yours weren't. Running your team against theirs is absolutely silly and you should have been directing the encounters towards a more skirmish style, that way you might stand a chance.

You didn't lose because they were too tanky or having too much CC, no, you lost because you were all as squishy as minions, ofc even tanks blew through all of you like nothing.

ArsamesJun 3, 20153 votes

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I do mind them basically out damaging carry roles. Kind of leaves you scratching your head asking how?

News flash, they don't outdamage carry roles.

ShuffledPancakeJun 3, 20151 votes

THEY CAN IF THE CARRY DOESNT DO DMG Caps* yeah they can. tanks that do dmg with building dmg.

ArsamesJun 3, 20151 votes

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THEY CAN IF THE CARRY DOESNT DO DMG Caps* yeah they can. tanks that do dmg with building dmg.

Thanks building damage, ayy lmao, stop talking please.

Lucky SandhuJun 3, 20152 votes

I don't mind tank meta but I hate a meta in 4 of the players can go tank, rush a movement speed item and win every team fight even if it happens under tower just because the opposite team has only 2 tanks

SEKAIJun 3, 20151 votes

I don't think they do.

They may in the total damage section (maybe), but against champs? Nah.

ApexInTheCircleJun 3, 20151 votes

I'm watching this Sejuani outdamage an Ekko. So yes It's a thing, btw she's all defensive items.

SEKAIJun 3, 20151 votes

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I'm watching this Sejuani outdamage an Ekko. So yes It's a thing, btw she's all defensive items.

Not when she has either Sunfire or Cinderhulk and Ekko has 0 defense.

EDIT: And Ekko isn't a carry.

AyRe CoNteMpTJun 3, 20151 votes

well, gragas and sejuani are banned basically every game, so its not really a tank meta because of them.

jDVL20eCYsJun 3, 20151 votes

tanks are like gragas, sejuani is just unkillable monster assassin the one shoot people with there point click nuke cc. you rather play vs gragas sjeu that one shoot you and cc you without counter play or you rather play vs zero cc squssiy assassin that really cant one shoot you?

ApexInTheCircleJun 3, 20151 votes

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tanks are like gragas, sejuani is just unkillable monster assassin the one shoot people with there point click nuke cc. you rather play vs gragas sjeu that one shoot you and cc you without counter play or you rather play vs zero cc squssiy assassin that really cant one shoot you?

Not sure what you said exactly but I agree.

jDVL20eCYsJun 3, 20151 votes

yes

Dl2agonJun 3, 20151 votes

The idea around this is that the tanks should not be sitting on your carries in team fights. this is a team game and sometimes you have to rely on them to peel for you. Tanks have the ability to kill carries if they are allowed prolonged time on top of them allowing all their ability damage to go off. They counteract life steal like they are suppose to with attack speed reduction. If ADC or AP carries could destroy tanks without having to worry about damage then all they would be are CC machines and the meta would shift back towards assassin in the jungle.

ApexInTheCircleJun 3, 20151 votes

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The idea around this is that the tanks should not be sitting on your carries in team fights. this is a team game and sometimes you have to rely on them to peel for you. Tanks have the ability to kill carries if they are allowed prolonged time on top of them allowing all their ability damage to go off. They counteract life steal like they are suppose to with attack speed reduction. If ADC or AP carries could destroy tanks without having to worry about damage then all they would be are CC machines and the meta would shift back towards assassin in the jungle.

Again though, it's not about them being tanky, I'm fine with that. That's their job and that's why they're in the game. But watching a tank basically charge completely past your front line avoiding CC because theirs lasts longer, and eating your team alive is disheartening.

LilxPaprikaJun 3, 20151 votes

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Thanks building damage, ayy lmao, stop talking please.

hp on a lot of tank fyi = dmg believe it or naut even for something like nautilus shield the shield helps him survive longer. this allows him to deal more dmg.

so yes in a sense they are building damage just with tank items. a lot of tank itemsaffords them cdr which helps them use their spells faster. Just a spell's base dmg is considerable vs an adc. especially now that a lot of adc aren't investing in sustain until late. A little dmg goes a long way vs a squish change. granted the adc how practically been conjoined with the support now. so you can't look at the adc seperately. however if say the support tried to help the ap carry survive. as an adc 1v1 a tank can often result in them losing out particularly in the early game.

400 range volibear bite hard to kite. does crap ton of dmg.

overall sure they don't deal more dmg per se but their damage to tank to cc ratios are such that adcs are left with very little ways of dealing with it.