the reason why mages wont get active items....

Very Hard Engage·Feb 17, 2017·12 votes·1,057 views

is because then they get late game outplay potential and it invalidates other late game ADCs.

you cant have an edge of night active, you cant have a QSS.

AP champions are designed for early-mid game, (except you veigar)

if you start giving them actives they're going to wonder why the stats are crap, if you actually make it comparable to a morello or a void staff in terms of power then you're now left with everyone playing AP champions simply because they can do more than someone else.

its not that an item cant be thought up. its that riot doesn't want such items around because of the implications it has on other lanes as well. not that it wouldn't help you achieve your goals or give you more to do, but that it would end up just pushing other champions like darius, skarner, or xin out.

29 Comments

HateDaddyFeb 17, 20179 votes

Where did this ridiculous idea of mages being mid game champions come from? There are several extremely powerful late game mages that exist in this game for both their damage and utility. And because void staff exists, mages will always have very strong late games. They are by far the second best class late game and it's not close. That's why they used to be called AD-carries and AP-carries

lzwardoFeb 17, 20171 votes

Where to start on mid-late game mages that still delete.... Velkoz.. vegiar, syndra. ori, annie, ahri (if u land charm), Ryze( if your good at his combo's) Brand ( all u gotta do is R and walk away), are all ones that are stupid good mid- late game.

FONHOMEFeb 17, 20171 votes

Viktor too.

NechroniaFeb 17, 20171 votes

No one ever mentions Karthus anymore :'(

PermabannedGarenFeb 18, 20171 votes

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Where did this ridiculous idea of mages being mid game champions come from? There are several extremely powerful late game mages that exist in this game for both their damage and utility. And because void staff exists, mages will always have very strong late games. They are by far the second best class late game and it's not close. That's why they used to be called AD-carries and AP-carries

Idk, theoretically skirmishers are better than mages late game, generally speaking. This isn't always true right now because many of the people in the class are kind of outdated, but guys like Yasuo, Fiora, and Jax outscale the majority of mages IMO, and other than Jax these represent what we can expect from future skirmisher releases.

SwiftKitten88Feb 17, 20174 votes

AP champions are designed for early-mid game, (except you veigar)

and AD champs get item 3155 item 3140 that build into something

right... and the fact that item 3089 cost 3800 gold item 3191 has no active until you get a complete item 3157 at 2900 gold

you are making an overall statement saying EVERY ap champ is for mid/ early game? with the lone exception of Veigar

not only is that false that is, AMAZINGLY biased. and also makes u sound like an ass when you are consider people can currently run FULL AD COMPS and even the champs like Rammus who are designed to HARDERCOUNTER that STILL get wrecked because of lethality.

you group all AP champs together and say "they don't get X" because u don't like them

that the the same kind of thinking as a "racist" or "sexist" grouping everyone together and saying "you are not allowed to have X, because i think you should be X" and i don't care if its true or not.

Stars ShaperFeb 17, 20173 votes

Meanwhile a lot of ADCs (and fighters) don't suffer neither early/mid game and are lategame monsters with items to counter their counterplay.

ToastersaotFeb 17, 20172 votes

Vladimir Anivia Cassiopeia I think these are good examples of Late Game APCs/Mages.

Tychusfindlay919Feb 17, 20172 votes

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I think these are good examples of Late Game APCs/Mages.

Ever since the introduction of mortal reminder, vladimir has lost a lot of late game power.

AyoLiko420Feb 17, 20172 votes

actives are no good when ur bein chased down by op champs that tend to not give af about ap sooo idk lets just give mages some more mr and armor that way they wnt be picked on early and let a lane snowball

JavelinJoeFeb 17, 20171 votes

DFG was removed for a reason (DFG Garen was too OP).

MrHaZeYoFeb 18, 20171 votes

DFG Annie was a lot of fun. Flash>DFG>Tibbers = death.

logic301Feb 17, 20171 votes

Wb zhonyas and all the hextech items

Very Hard EngageFeb 17, 20172 votes

cheap and weak items. if you build all of them you're going to have a bad time, and 400 ap.

logic301Feb 17, 20171 votes

I guess, but they wouldn't be for full ap champs. Like I build zhonyas and protobelt on ekko, but I don't feel weak

LauchmelderFeb 17, 20171 votes

That's more due to Ekko having quite a bit of (slightly too high) damage with his passive. His passive was the reason tank Ekko worked after all.

EndlessSorcererFeb 17, 20171 votes

Honestly, the damage on his passive wasn't even one of the main issues.

The main reasons Tank Ekko worked were:

Passive provided a slow (which chained with Iceborn Gauntlet and Q)
Chronobreak had a base heal for 20% of his missing health (without AP)
Missing health damage on W (to clean-up fights)

Hello I am BirdFeb 18, 20172 votes

His W doesn't do damage :v

EndlessSorcererFeb 18, 20171 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Ekko

Parallel Convergence

Passive: Ekko's basic attacks deal 3%「 (+ 1% per 33 AP) 」 of the target's missing health bonus magic damage to targets below 30% of their maximum health. The damage has a minimum threshold of 15 and is capped at 150 against minions and monsters.

Hello I am BirdFeb 18, 20171 votes

Well shit you learn something new every day

lzwardoFeb 17, 20171 votes

Uh, Hextech items, Zhonyas, Archangels staff.... is plenty enough to be useful. when you think of late game items. Esp. Arch Angles with the amount of mana to shield ratio that could be 2 hits or so. There is actives on mages just not everyone uses them because they take more clicking of the keyboard and mages are skill based damg hitters over where adc's are mostly autos.

Very Hard EngageFeb 17, 20171 votes

and they're all defensive, keep yourself alive longer, not enable you to kill others. hence why DFG was removed.

lzwardoFeb 17, 20171 votes

depending on the champ I go Tear into Moro into Void into Hrglass.. thats 2 actives... ADCs (currently till 7.4) are going ghostblade into dusk into knights edge... thats 2 actives... QSS is dying off of adcs now bcuz of knights edge so you dont see them being bought anymore.. either whichway you look at it there is still the same actives on ADCS as there is on mages. And if you say the Tear into Moro hurts ur early game.. it doesnt. esp when you are faced against a zed or yasu who don't need mana and can stay in lane all day after you run out of mana tear is there to maintain and make sure you dont run out of mana.

lzwardoFeb 17, 20171 votes

But I personally dont like Hrglass, except in a few match ups where it can get you out of the all in.. IE: Zed Brand,..

logic301Feb 17, 20171 votes

Yea on ekko I usually build protobelt and zhonyas, that's also 2 actives

Kirius DarkFeb 17, 20172 votes

item 3030 item 3152 item 3146 defensive? I've killed plenty of people with it offensively as part of my combo

Hello I am BirdFeb 17, 20171 votes

I can't see how item 3146 does anything but enable you to kill others I suppose you could argue that item 3030 is used for kiting but more often than not it's defensive. Very rarely do you use item 3152 to get out of combat.

Very Hard EngageFeb 17, 20171 votes

and your grand total AP comes to..... dirt, oh look you needed 16 more ability casts.

i dare you go kill someone with a BV with those items.