So i read that they're nerfing Taliyah because "She's not supposed to be able to burst"

xTropicalPenguin·Jul 12, 2016·2 votes·852 views

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

24 Comments

MimyJul 12, 20161 votes

She's a mage tank. I think people kinda overlooked her defence stats.

RalanrJul 12, 20163 votes

Tank? I'm seeing mage support. She's not very tanky.

MimyJul 12, 20161 votes

http://image.prntscr.com/image/758aefa8cba244db838557882e8bc5b5.jpeg

It's all kinda confusing.. but yea, I would use her as a Support too, but I would build a little AP with a bit of tankyness...

Comparing her to tristana right now..

Damn.. if they gave her AD scalings she'd made a pretty decent ADC compared to trist.. her level 18 AD is more than trist's AD... Especially her Q.... What the...

I have no clue...

Not kidding about the AD thing tho, she shares range with Vayne, MF and Tristana at level 1.

And her AD scaling is like half way between those 3 and highest Melee levels..

#Don't do it she scales AP, but im just saying, if they gave her AD scalings she'd be a terror or bot lane.

RalanrJul 12, 20161 votes

Yes, she'd be a terrifying AD caster.

MimyJul 12, 20161 votes

Indeed... O_O

-Sees her coming bot lane-

NOPE! - Switches with mid - xD

Vistha KaiJul 12, 20161 votes

Wait, they really rated her defense SO high?

I mean, she's an anti-mobility mage that gets shit on by mobility at the same time.

Yes, that's a general "defense" rating. Not "tank" rating. Like you can have a lot of self peel, but still be squishy af and have a high Defense rating.

But let's face it. None of those rating has anything to do with reality, except for Attack Power (the red one) which is usually higher for champions relying on basic attacks or basic attack modifiers.

MalfiniJul 12, 20162 votes

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Tank? I'm seeing mage support. She's not very tanky.

Most of her abilities are mainly support. For some odd reason, Riot designated her primary role as mage.

RalanrJul 12, 20161 votes

She's a utility Mage, like how Orinanna can go mid or support.

BushxJul 12, 20162 votes

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She's a utility Mage, like how Orinanna can go mid or support.

If you EVER play Ori Support you are doing it wrong. Karma does all she does in that role and better. Same with lulu or Nami.

If you are playing Tal or Ori support please stop. lol

Edge of DaybreakJul 12, 20161 votes

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If you EVER play Ori Support you are doing it wrong. Karma does all she does in that role and better. Same with lulu or Nami.

If you are playing Tal or Ori support please stop. lol

Yeah karmas aoe knock up is pretty strong.

BushxJul 12, 20161 votes

LOL Wow...you are saying Ori's ULT is what makes her a great support.

Alright, Braums Ult does do that AND he has a shield and a stun. And he's tanky AND better yet a fucking support.

Edge of DaybreakJul 12, 20161 votes

The point was that saying karma does all that ori does better is false. Karma may be a better support overall but she doesn't even attempt to do what orianna does bot lane. Karma is just stronger for what she does uniquely. I'll take an ori botlane if the guy playing it is good with it.

SiytherJul 12, 2016

orianna is in a terrible spot she cant go anywhwere right now. Utilty mages arent good at all unless you are playing on a 5 man premade with voice and even then they arent that good. I havent seen a utility mage since last season (Lcs excluded)

RalanrJul 12, 20161 votes

I love it when people bring up current events as if it disregards my point that X is a thing.

Seriously, whether X is good or not wasn't the point. It was that X exists.

SiytherJul 12, 20161 votes

just cause something exists doenst make it useful, viable or even playable in leagues current,past or future state. Apparently you are blind to the fact that, ques are long cause no one wants to play a "supporty" character.

SiytherJul 12, 20161 votes

ive nebver once built her tank nor seen anyone do it. but if they take away her burst u may as well delete her cause she will be beyond useless. Who gonna play a mage in mid or top that is totally dependant on her team to do anything at all????????

xTropicalPenguinJul 12, 20161 votes

i think they overlooked that tali can 100-0 a squishy with like 2 or 3 items and where like "oh fuck we put too much damage in her kit when compensating for a no damage ult", still like how she is now though, i have the potential to carry through flat damage

warpenguin555Jul 12, 20161 votes

i think they just dont want her early game to be as strong as it is

LadyRenlyJul 12, 20161 votes

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i think they just dont want her early game to be as strong as it is

but her early game seems to be all she has going for her. im not really impressed with her late game tbh

QuephaJul 12, 20161 votes

She's a Disruptor, not a burst mage. She wins the game by ganking and setting her team up for easily won team fights as she kicks enemies out of position, splits them up with a wall, and locks down their positions with a slow field that punishes dashes. Actual damage output is secondary to these massive pieces of utility.

SiytherJul 12, 20161 votes

sorry bud problem is no one will play her that way period. This game is full of ppl who only want to solo the game she does not work in that type of enviroment as a disruptor. Its not that i dont agree that she is one, she just will never be played that way. ppl want to carry games with damage and kills not play a glorified support mid lane. in ranked without premades and voice if she has her damge nerfed to shit she will never be played. SHe has to maintain some level of burst.I really enjoy playing her myself but i tried using a more supportive build midlane didnt end up doing shit. Tried a tankier build same result, but the only way i could do anything was building straight dps like an mage asassin that works and works well. I can see maybe her damage is a tad much and maybe she does need a small and i mean small damage nerf but against anyone with mobility she has a hard time landing any of that damage in the first place ,so i think she should def be rewarded for landing her full combo.

specter424Jul 12, 20161 votes

Well it doesn't make much sense to not only have 2 second cooldown on a waveclear spell but you can instagib someone with w/e on top of a passive and ult built for ganking...