The real reason why gp is disabled

SantanaTheSlick ·Jul 30, 2015·23 votes·24,361 views

“Gangplank is dead” is just a silly joke that silly Riot is telling for now. He’s actually currently disabled because of a specific character interaction bug with Draven, apparently found by user “TheKarthMan” on Reddit. His post about the bug below:

“So friendly champions can attack GP’s barrels. It won’t set them off though. Due to this, a GP can put a barrel in a safe spot for a friendly Draven to stack his passive by continuously catching axes. Then all Draven needs to do is cash in by getting a kill.

I’m sure this is unintended, and I didn’t see anyone mentioning it.”

TheKarthMan also apologizes about getting Gangplank temporarily disabled. :P In light of this, one could say that it was actually DRAAAAVEN who murdered Gangplank! But I'm sure he'll be reenabled soon enough.

73 Comments

RiotMeowriko23Jul 31, 201518 votes

GP died in the Bilgewater story so that's why he's disabled. Not because of any bug. Hope you've been keeping up! Here's a link if you missed it. :) http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/bilgewater/#story-3

We actually have a memorial for him at HQ too. https://twitter.com/ScuttleChris/status/626811720946745345

RIP in Pepperoni GP.

RiotDarkwing DarranJul 31, 201511 votes

RIP

J0HN C3N4Jul 31, 20159 votes

It's getting old for us GP players. I'm seriously upset.... can't play the champ I enjoy playing for days just because of lore....

MSTAR27Jul 31, 20155 votes

I'm tired of the tribunal ALWAYS being down for maintenance.

ShørtyJul 31, 201510 votes

I agree. i don't care about the crap "lore" in this game. It has always been so badly put together i'm surprised people even care at all.

not to mention this is a big middle finger to anyone who actual plays GP or enjoy'd the rework.

if you wanted to be cool riot. you should have reworked Missfortune first, killed off OLD Gangplank and then had the New GangPlank come into the scene with new tech.

opportunity for cool lore and hype squandered AS ALWAYS.

SantanaTheSlick Jul 31, 20153 votes

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I agree. i don't care about the crap "lore" in this game. It has always been so badly put together i'm surprised people even care at all.

not to mention this is a big middle finger to anyone who actual plays GP or enjoy'd the rework.

if you wanted to be cool riot. you should have reworked Missfortune first, killed off OLD Gangplank and then had the New GangPlank come into the scene with new tech.

opportunity for cool lore and hype squandered AS ALWAYS.

this would've been actual better riots trying to be all edgy and hip now

TourianJul 31, 20152 votes

You shitasses are the sole reason that lore has been non-existent for the rest of us. Please leave.

ShørtyAug 2, 20151 votes

Lore was removed because it was really fucking shite.

i didn't do anything get your head out of your ass..

SeductiveGrandpaAug 1, 20151 votes

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I agree. i don't care about the crap "lore" in this game. It has always been so badly put together i'm surprised people even care at all.

not to mention this is a big middle finger to anyone who actual plays GP or enjoy'd the rework.

if you wanted to be cool riot. you should have reworked Missfortune first, killed off OLD Gangplank and then had the New GangPlank come into the scene with new tech.

opportunity for cool lore and hype squandered AS ALWAYS.

Salt Level: Higher than a salty sailor in the sea

ShørtyAug 2, 20152 votes

Just saying,

I mean i have seen better business strategy on the business end of my toilet paper.

Release a new champion to go with your cool new event. and then disable him.

getting so many players asking for refunds on gp you need to post a message about it. i'm pretty salty, But i'm not asking for a refund. The fact that people are shows how annoyed some of them are.

if this event ends and we don't get something really fucking good out of it then what was the point?

i'm expecting gp to just be re-enabled and we get a message that says "Gank-plank ate some oranges and it was k." because that is the level of "lore" riot has come to been known for --

meme spewing garbage.

SeductiveGrandpaAug 2, 20151 votes

Yeah, I get your point, what I said was incorrect.

Salt Level: Higher Than Gangplank In The Sea

ShørtyAug 2, 20151 votes

As long as you understand the salt it's fine.

maybe one day riot will do something right for once.

like actually finish the Poppy rework like they said they were going to.

Tilted PlumbusAug 1, 20151 votes

For real, I went 7-0 with GP the other day in ranked after practicing him tirelessly. Next day he is disabled. Such a buzz kill. Just waiting for this event to end so I can play him again.

BudupopsJul 31, 20151 votes

so draven stacking passive off of barrel isn't a bug?

Zair UmbrasJul 31, 20151 votes

It's a bug that was brought up on the PBE, but it's not game breaking. So what if Draven can stack his passive on the barrel? You already stack it off minions and champions, so why waste your time stacking on a barrel when you could.. you know.. kill a minion and get two stacks, one for killing, one for catching.

RueianJul 31, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2015-07-31T01:41:26.434+0000)

It's a bug that was brought up on the PBE, but it's not game breaking. So what if Draven can stack his passive on the barrel? You already stack it off minions and champions, so why waste your time stacking on a barrel when you could.. you know.. kill a minion and get two stacks, one for killing, one for catching.

you can stack for free during the first 2 minutes of the game before minions spawn

Zair UmbrasJul 31, 20152 votes

Yeah, and none of those stacks mean anything until you actually get a kill and since GP is usually top, you'll have to walk 30s to lane first and stack around the turret so you're not late to lane. You already can't leave base for the first 20s. So that's 50s off the first 2 minutes, leaving you with only a minute and ten seconds of stacking. In 70 seconds at his base AS of .679, you can get in a MAX of 48 stacks. If you manage to get out the gate and say you have a whole minute and a half, 90s of farming... That's 61 stacks. But these stacks are useless until you get a kill. Completely and utterly useless UNLESS you get a kill, so not only are they low to begin with, but you have to be capable of getting a kill before getting killed.

Overall, it's not really much of an edge... It's not gamebreaking... At all. Tahm was able to eat his allies and KILL them for GOLD... Like, he could actually kill them. Tahm was never disabled though and his own form of gold was much more reliable and could actually be considered game breaking.

RueianJul 31, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T09:37:37.467+0000)

Yeah, and none of those stacks mean anything until you actually get a kill and since GP is usually top, you'll have to walk 30s to lane first and stack around the turret so you're not late to lane. You already can't leave base for the first 20s. So that's 50s off the first 2 minutes, leaving you with only a minute and ten seconds of stacking. In 70 seconds at his base AS of .679, you can get in a MAX of 48 stacks. If you manage to get out the gate and say you have a whole minute and a half, 90s of farming... That's 61 stacks. But these stacks are useless until you get a kill. Completely and utterly useless UNLESS you get a kill, so not only are they low to begin with, but you have to be capable of getting a kill before getting killed.

Overall, it's not really much of an edge... It's not gamebreaking... At all. Tahm was able to eat his allies and KILL them for GOLD... Like, he could actually kill them. Tahm was never disabled though and his own form of gold was much more reliable and could actually be considered game breaking.

you could stack on fountain

Zair UmbrasJul 31, 20151 votes

Yeah, but barrels only last for 60s and unless you have a GP support, which is giving up pretty much all kill potential to make stacking his Q work, GP can't B every single time Draven can to let Draven stack them at the fountain. Think logically for a moment. His barrels aren't permanent structures that last forever (specifically lasting 60s) and they have a rather long recharge time early on, 18s without CDR to be exact!

Loken StoneheartJul 31, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T20:42:24.914+0000)

Yeah, but barrels only last for 60s and unless you have a GP support, which is giving up pretty much all kill potential to make stacking his Q work, GP can't B every single time Draven can to let Draven stack them at the fountain. Think logically for a moment. His barrels aren't permanent structures that last forever (specifically lasting 60s) and they have a rather long recharge time early on, 18s without CDR to be exact!

90 seconds of farm, as you quoted earlier, is very significant. Every minion wave is significant. Don't underestimate his ability to pick up an early kill, and cash in those stacks.

That being said, Rengar's bug is pretty significant with it too. I imagine things like Xin can heal off it, ectect as well.

Zair UmbrasJul 31, 20151 votes

90 seconds can total about 60 stacks. Farming a minion wave could potentially give much more because each minion will give a minimum of 2 stacks because you get 1 stack per minion kill on top of the stack for catching the axe.

Rengar hitting it is mostly awkward and could be used strategically to help enhance synergy between him and GP, though it wouldn't be gamebreaking just like Draven getting about 60 stacks isn't going to be gamebreaking. 120 gold isn't as much as you want to think it is after all.

I really don't know why anyone would think Draven getting 120 gold after he kills a target is gamebreaking, especially when it only applies to the first kill IF he kills a target BEFORE dying. If he dies, then the entire bonus he got is wasted. If he gets a kill, he gets 120g. Equivalent of about 8ish minions, which could put him farther ahead, but if you think about it, he gets 50 base already per kill, so it's not a HUGE amount.

RueianJul 31, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=0002000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T20:42:24.914+0000)

Yeah, but barrels only last for 60s and unless you have a GP support, which is giving up pretty much all kill potential to make stacking his Q work, GP can't B every single time Draven can to let Draven stack them at the fountain. Think logically for a moment. His barrels aren't permanent structures that last forever (specifically lasting 60s) and they have a rather long recharge time early on, 18s without CDR to be exact!

you can wait in base for 1 minute, and drop a 2nd barrel. thats 2 minutes of stacking with no loss.

Zair UmbrasJul 31, 20151 votes

If you're at the fountain for 2 minutes, you're missing out on minions since the minions kind of are in lane by 2 minutes. 0.o

RueianJul 31, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=000200010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-07-31T22:34:29.107+0000)

If you're at the fountain for 2 minutes, you're missing out on minions since the minions kind of are in lane by 2 minutes. 0.o

you can leave fountain the moment minions spawn which i think is 1:30, so you can get 1:30 of farming without missing farm. and GP can still get to top lane

Zair UmbrasJul 31, 20151 votes

Yes, a minute and thirty. That's 90 seconds. 90 seconds at .679 AS is about 61 attacks, which means IF you start AS SOON AS YOU SPAWN and get off one last hit as you walk off the platform, you can get 62 stacks. 62 stacks is 124 gold. That's... almost negligible.

Loken StoneheartAug 1, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Zair Umbras,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-31T23:29:58.670+0000)

Yes, a minute and thirty. That's 90 seconds. 90 seconds at .679 AS is about 61 attacks, which means IF you start AS SOON AS YOU SPAWN and get off one last hit as you walk off the platform, you can get 62 stacks. 62 stacks is 124 gold. That's... almost negligible.

Still ignoring that the Rengar bug is massive, along with other potential bugs like Xin infinite healing in safety off them. GJ Strawman.

aZ3ObcD9QKJul 31, 20151 votes

Dang, you two had a very long conversation on this.

Frankly, Zair Umbras is right. Yes, Draven can get extra gold and I'm sure it's an unintended bug, but all the numbers lead to it being nearly nothing.

If Gangplank is top, you get max 124 gold as Zair said. 124 ONLY IF you get a kill before you die.

If Gangplank is support, he has low potential to do anything as his ult is never going to get upgraded and his q isn't going to get him any gold, while his e doesn't empower allies anymore so he can't help his ADC out other than a slow. The only thing he really brings to benefit his ADC (in this example, Draven) is that slow and some damage. Sure, Gangplank has ult to offer but he could do that from top lane as well. All the while, Draven could just be throwing axes at minions and harassing champions and be getting the exact same number of stacks, probably more for minion kills. It would benefit Draven more to have another support that brings more to offer bot lane to help him out.

I'm not saying you're wrong to think this bug should be fixed, any time someone gets extra gold it already gives a team an advantage they shouldn't have. However, in this case the gold lead isn't enough to hold a game up. If a Draven/GP wins in that matchup, it wasn't because of 124 gold from stacks, it was from playing better than the enemy team.

R.I.P. in peace Gangplank... item 3070

RueianAug 1, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shadowborn Omen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=00020001000000000000000000000001000000000001,timestamp=2015-07-31T23:43:45.692+0000)

Dang, you two had a very long conversation on this.

Frankly, Zair Umbras is right. Yes, Draven can get extra gold and I'm sure it's an unintended bug, but all the numbers lead to it being nearly nothing.

If Gangplank is top, you get max 124 gold as Zair said. 124 ONLY IF you get a kill before you die.

If Gangplank is support, he has low potential to do anything as his ult is never going to get upgraded and his q isn't going to get him any gold, while his e doesn't empower allies anymore so he can't help his ADC out other than a slow. The only thing he really brings to benefit his ADC (in this example, Draven) is that slow and some damage. Sure, Gangplank has ult to offer but he could do that from top lane as well. All the while, Draven could just be throwing axes at minions and harassing champions and be getting the exact same number of stacks, probably more for minion kills. It would benefit Draven more to have another support that brings more to offer bot lane to help him out.

I'm not saying you're wrong to think this bug should be fixed, any time someone gets extra gold it already gives a team an advantage they shouldn't have. However, in this case the gold lead isn't enough to hold a game up. If a Draven/GP wins in that matchup, it wasn't because of 124 gold from stacks, it was from playing better than the enemy team.

R.I.P. in peace Gangplank...

even if you only get a few stacks, that is a huge head start if you end up getting a kill. also You underestimate support GP. Try item 3097 on him

3TWarriorJul 31, 20151 votes

gangplank runs teleport a lot of the time too and his barrels aren't limited by distance, so, he could even place one in your lane and you could hit it behind tower if you want

but, consider the implications of actually getting it stacked, 30 seconds is 15 free auto attacks or 30 gold, so in the first minute of gameplay he can get 30 stacks or a 60 gold lead on a kill in addition to what he stacks in lane

if draven happens to run teleport, at level 2 he gains a massive attack speed buff for every axe he catches, with a barrel in the nexus, suddenly you might double your number of stacks and teleport back

it would be even more gold potential than gangplank's gold

Zair UmbrasJul 31, 20151 votes

But it wouldn't be worth the hassle of wasting a teleport nor would it make for much extra gold. Each stack is only 2g and if you're under turret, you can easily get stacks off minions. If you're pushed to THEIR turret, you should be taking advantage of the enemies by throwing repeated axes. The one thing about Draven is he doesn't suffer the same gang-bang gank issue that most immobile carries suffer since he's got a speed boost and a knockback that also slows on top of the fact that he does HUGE amounts of damage, especially so against most junglers early on. He's one of my own favorite ADC's because of his damage output. It's similar to Graves where if you get your lead, your opponent is as good as gone. There will be no return regardless of ganks.

MixdUpnnjaJul 31, 20151 votes

Push your lain then stack off barrels. he never has to stop.

CriticalRenegadeJul 31, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Meowriko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-07-31T00:54:28.144+0000)

GP died in the Bilgewater story so that's why he's disabled. Not because of any bug. Hope you've been keeping up! Here's a link if you missed it. :) http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/bilgewater/#story-3

We actually have a memorial for him at HQ too. https://twitter.com/ScuttleChris/status/626811720946745345

RIP in Pepperoni GP.

What about Zilean or item 3026 ?

Vistha KaiJul 31, 20151 votes

Local Chronokeeper ruins the day.

Sid88Jul 31, 20152 votes

TEAM MISS FORTUNE!!!!!! >.<

FMCakesJul 31, 20151 votes

How are you planning to revive GP, when this is over, and not make it not contradict with the current lore?

ULTRAF0RCEJul 31, 20152 votes

well his death hasnt yet been shown, his ship simply was completly destroyed, so I am guessing that if GP knows how to swim he might turn up to have not died.

SantanaTheSlick Jul 31, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Meowriko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-07-31T00:54:28.144+0000)

GP died in the Bilgewater story so that's why he's disabled. Not because of any bug. Hope you've been keeping up! Here's a link if you missed it. :) http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/bilgewater/#story-3

We actually have a memorial for him at HQ too. https://twitter.com/ScuttleChris/status/626811720946745345

RIP in Pepperoni GP.

does that mean spooky gangplank is cannon?

Vistha KaiJul 31, 20151 votes

cannon

A bomb.

Cenobite AzazielAug 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Meowriko,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWLTXpZ2,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-07-31T00:54:28.144+0000)

GP died in the Bilgewater story so that's why he's disabled. Not because of any bug. Hope you've been keeping up! Here's a link if you missed it. :) http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/site/bilgewater/#story-3

We actually have a memorial for him at HQ too. https://twitter.com/ScuttleChris/status/626811720946745345

RIP in Pepperoni GP.

So you are disabling a champion, just for the lolz? Really?

HaugheyPuck99Jul 30, 20157 votes

Please don't think I'm calling you a liar when I say this, but I feel like if that were the case then it would just make a lot more sense to temporarily disable Draven instead, especially since GP's rework was not too long ago and people are still trying him out. But then again, it could be something in the coding for the barrels rather than Draven's axes, in which case it would make more sense to disable GP.

SachabotJul 30, 20157 votes

Why would they disable Draven? The interaction bug is in GP's code, not Draven's. It makes more sense to fix the problem (and maybe check for a few others just to be safe) than it does to write an exception and risk leaving other problems up.

HaugheyPuck99Jul 30, 20152 votes

Because to me that seems like the type of thing you'd have to intentionally do with Draven. It's more punishing people who just like playing GP rather then punishing the people who are intentionally abusing the bug. You do make a fair point about risking other bugs if you try to fix that while leaving him up, but I just don't think it looks very good on Riot's part if Bilgewater's main champ is disabled during the Bilgewater event. I have to give Riot credit though, they made it fit nicely with the lore's timing.

Wind WhistlerJul 30, 20156 votes

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Because to me that seems like the type of thing you'd have to intentionally do with Draven. It's more punishing people who just like playing GP rather then punishing the people who are intentionally abusing the bug. You do make a fair point about risking other bugs if you try to fix that while leaving him up, but I just don't think it looks very good on Riot's part if Bilgewater's main champ is disabled during the Bilgewater event. I have to give Riot credit though, they made it fit nicely with the lore's timing.

I'm glad that someone else managed to find the actual reason Gangplank was disabled. He'll probably be back in a few days.

HaugheyPuck99Jul 30, 20152 votes

Idk if we can say for sure if that's the real reason GP is disabled though. Riot says its just because he died in the story but they could just be saying that for a number of reasons. Like maybe they don't want to look bad about having messed up on the coding for the only ability they changed on his kit (aside from his ult but those were minor changes in comparison), or they could just be messing with us. Maybe they were joking when they said its not because of a bug and they thought people could tell they were kidding.

Either way, hopefully they'll re-enable him soon. My guess is they'll do it at the same time they release the next act of the story.

Rubber JesusJul 31, 20152 votes

If Draven is disabled, aren't you punishing people for playing Draven when they weren't abusing the bug, as well?

Just saying, reverse logic.

Also, this allows them to test more interactions with the Barrel. Can Annie stack spells on it in a bush, only to pop out with a Tibbers+stun? The enemy won't be expecting it since they assume she has nothing to stack it on, and a literal Q Barrel + W + E + Q Barrel would be a fast buildup without the enemy thinking it could be done. Does this mean we disable Draven and Annie, if that's the case? Or can Yasuo prep his Q with it? If so, should they disable him too?

They would most likely disable GP, and then test interactions with each champion that has the ability to do this kind of thing, while altering the code to make a fix. Disabling Draven does nothing to stop any of the above. It only hurts Draven players who were not exploiting it, and makes them wonder why they can't play Draven due to a bug that isn't in his code and only shows he is working as intended.

HaugheyPuck99Aug 1, 20151 votes

Yeah I guess I can't really argue with that.

junglerboy16Jul 30, 20153 votes

I'm betting the reason they chose GP over Draven is that act 3 came out at a convenient time for them to pull a "GP is DEAD!" publicity stunt with a well timed disable, and then they just bluff it off that he was always gonna be disabled.

macromiteJul 31, 20151 votes

there was a bug where kench could literally team kill, it still might be live, and he hasn't been disabled

junglerboy16Jul 31, 20151 votes

It's probably rare enough that they felt comfortable leaving it for a patch cycle or two instead of disabling and hot-fixing the patch.

This bug that they're saying GP had is very easy to do and also extremely easy to exploit (simply stack free gold on Draven and profit—literally), which is probably why they chose to disable him.