"Guys hurry, their ADC IS SUPER LOW, WE CAN WIN! :D"

Ben Sharpio·Dec 18, 2016·60 votes·3,823 views

http://i.imgur.com/1Xopdtm.png?1

Oh.... This is what its come to.

76 Comments

SpecterVonBarenDec 18, 201626 votes

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder254/55639254.jpg

kitcat300Dec 19, 201624 votes

Karma ULT-E item 3190 active item 3107 item 3504 (20% Shield strength)

http://31.media.tumblr.com/89d1c1ddd840d86e9fb48e38037a1374/tumblr_n7ruwrJnWA1smcbm7o1_500.gif

BoompenguinsDec 19, 20163 votes

actually the 10% healpower is a unique passive I believe, so its still 10%. I think.

kitcat300Dec 19, 201614 votes

Unique passives one the same item do not stack, but do if across multiple items.

Named Passives don't stack at all.

TruelyTrueTruethDec 19, 20161 votes

wso those two itiems redemption and the other one stacks?

It Hertz When IPDec 19, 20163 votes

Yep.

Hello I am BirdDec 20, 20161 votes

Woah woah what, was this always a thing?

Like... I've been playing this game since S4, and I didn't know that. Jfc, you learn something new every day

Only Play DariusDec 19, 201623 votes

Shield creep is becoming a thing

AdriqnoheeDec 19, 20162 votes

Well we asked for a solution to the damage creep, it was to be expected that it would be something dumb.

Only Play DariusDec 19, 20161 votes

Except the one getting all the shields dumped on him is also the one doing all the damage

dominusxDec 19, 20161 votes

yeh i mean assasins are op it takes us like 1.5 seconds to combo the enemy and do 70% of his hp why dont we shield him for another 60% ? while he clicks us for 1000dmg per second. eks dee boys

AdriqnoheeDec 19, 20161 votes

This is what happens when you try the extra guy that receives no gold meaningful, you full them up with as much utility as possible and the moment decent items starts to become available to them, they turn into monsters.

Cosmic WarperDec 19, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWGjtwyj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-12-19T00:05:26.679+0000)

Shield creep is becoming a thing

There are shields everywhere now. Most of the past several champs have shields, and locket shield has been buffed. Blitzcrank Camille Diana Ekko Evelynn Ivern Janna Karma Lulu Lux Malphite Morgana Nautilus Orianna Poppy Riven Ryze Shen Sion Skarner Sona TahmKench Taric Thresh Udyr Urgot Viktor Yasuo

Shields out the wazoo and this isn't even counting CoC which gives a shield to most non-shield champs and would probably add another 40 or so champs to the list.

Hello I am BirdDec 20, 20161 votes

Doesn't Azir give a shield with his e, or did they remove that like they did half of his passive?

Cosmic WarperDec 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hello I am Bird,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWGjtwyj,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2016-12-20T09:55:49.821+0000)

Doesn't give a shield with his e, or did they remove that like they did half of his passive?

They updated the tooltip since the scaling on it has been gone since around august so it's a pretty mediocre shield that requires you to get into melee which sucks for azir

ChlululuDec 20, 20161 votes

shields are kinda healthy mechanic though, they feel satisfying and offer a lot of counterplay bc its not like they are permanent like healing.

Cosmic WarperDec 21, 20161 votes

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shields are kinda healthy mechanic though, they feel satisfying and offer a lot of counterplay bc its not like they are permanent like healing.

I agree that they're healthy, but when they stack and they're so prevalent in the game then it starts to become a big problem because then almost everyone has huge effective health pools in fights.

LovelleDec 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWGjtwyj,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-12-19T00:05:26.679+0000)

Shield creep is becoming a thing

Just about much every champion that people complain about regularly has a shield. I think you might be right.

Knight SkyDec 18, 201620 votes

As a janna main i love giving my adc's all dem shields

Ben SharpioDec 18, 201642 votes

every support main when the new items came out like:

http://i.imgur.com/FlGnpMe.png?1

Knight SkyDec 18, 20162 votes

yessss, that was slick me when i saw redemption

Ariel the CruelDec 19, 201625 votes

A support item that is allowed to be not-shit because no non-support will ever take it? 4 of them!?

HELL F'ing YES!!!

5000000000000000Dec 19, 20161 votes

idk man tanks take Locket too

Ariel the CruelDec 19, 20162 votes

It is a tank item. They should be. If it becomes a default item on divers, juggernauts, and Vlad. . . then we have a problem.

aspects1Dec 19, 20161 votes

but tanks also build knights vow aand redemption

AdriqnoheeDec 19, 20161 votes

Well knights vow is build for tanks, so why shouldn't they pick it?

aspects1Dec 19, 20161 votes

knights vow and redemption were both designed as support items, which being as ridiculously strong as they are known to be, are now being built on tanks and even occasionally on juggernauts

Ariel the CruelDec 19, 20161 votes

Vow has heavy trade-offs for it's stats, so the same logic applies as locket.

It is a tank item. They should be. If it becomes a default item on divers, juggernauts, and Vlad. . . then we have a problem.

Redemption's active legitimately OP. I'm sad to say.

aspects1Dec 20, 20161 votes

late game, most juggernauts arent that useful, but getting vow makes them useful, and still benefits them more than a tank item thats the problem and yes, redemption is op, hence why ivern is anywhere near the term "meta"

AdriqnoheeDec 19, 20161 votes

You do know that a support is any character that can survive not farming and still be useful right? Knights vow is a item made by tanks that fill that spot, Alistar, Leona, Nautilus, it was build for tank supports, thus it was build for tanks.

Giga KahunaDec 19, 20161 votes

he's saying tanks and juggernauts that aren't being used as supports are building those items because of how good they are

AdriqnoheeDec 20, 20161 votes

Yeah, and I'm saying a item build for tanks being used by tanks is not weird, the only difference between a item focused on supports that go bot and supports that go anywhere else, is the price.

TeCoolMageDec 19, 20161 votes

non bot lane support tanks like amumu, gnar, trundle, maokai, shen and gragas?

It's a not-bad item because carry tanks can take it too :p

Ariel the CruelDec 19, 20163 votes

Amumu Shen Maokai I don't see an issue. Gragas Grey area. Trundle . . . Really? Are we talking OCE support trundle (grey like gragas), are lane/jungle trundle (problem)?

TeCoolMageDec 19, 20161 votes

top lane trundle can take it because they just get free stats from the enemy tank anyway :P add a shield with your ridiculous resistances and never die

Maokai and Amumu are NOT supports, Shen is a very VERY niche support

I don't see any of them as problems but saying it's a support item only and that it's good 'because no non-support will ever take it' is wrong, it's a decent solo lane and jungle tank item (just not an abuse case like FQC)

(also redemption fiddlesticks+Swain are really really good, redemption Xin is decent, just not abuse cases either. Mana champions with self heals are actually decent with redemption for a bruiser-y build)

Ariel the CruelDec 19, 20163 votes

I don't see any of them as problems but saying it's a support item only and that it's good 'because no non-support will ever take it' is wrong, it's a decent solo lane and jungle tank item (just not an abuse case like FQC)

That statement was primarily aimed at item 3114 item 3222 item 3504 item 3107 . Hence the "4 of them."

Granted, the strength of Redemption's active is causing some weirdness.

LovelleDec 19, 20161 votes

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top lane trundle can take it because they just get free stats from the enemy tank anyway :P add a shield with your ridiculous resistances and never die

Maokai and Amumu are NOT supports, Shen is a very VERY niche support

I don't see any of them as problems but saying it's a support item only and that it's good 'because no non-support will ever take it' is wrong, it's a decent solo lane and jungle tank item (just not an abuse case like FQC)

(also redemption fiddlesticks+Swain are really really good, redemption Xin is decent, just not abuse cases either. Mana champions with self heals are actually decent with redemption for a bruiser-y build)

I don't have the patience to play Trundle. Not only is he fully melee and auto-attack reliant, but it seems like everyone with a dash can just kite him to oblivion. He also seems weak when his ult isn't up. Maybe I just build him too tanky or something, who knows.

TeCoolMageDec 19, 20162 votes

Trundle's meant to have a troll-y (:P) taunt effect where you stay pretty much anywhere you expect the enemy to be in a teamfight, either back line against assassins/divers or front line against tanks/mages and the enemy team just wants to kill you but you always have the upper hand when they engage.

and they walk into you and you say "You're in my ~~swamp~~ domain now", beating their asse- beating them up with your free stats.

Trundle's strong when you play by his rules in his frozen domain area and during his ult, and if you choose to fight him it's hard to escape and he sticks well, but if you choose not to fight at all he's worse than a champion with no poke: he can't take as many hits as a normal tank, he can't force an engage like a burst mage with flash, and he has very little ranged CC.

Also he can kill the enemy tank really really easily so he doesn't have to focus a ranged kiting champion at all. Against ADCs you can interrupt one dash with your huge range pillar and use frozen domain to try and catch up, which is much better than what juggernauts have

LovelleDec 19, 20161 votes

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Trundle's meant to have a troll-y (:P) taunt effect where you stay pretty much anywhere you expect the enemy to be in a teamfight, either back line against assassins/divers or front line against tanks/mages and the enemy team just wants to kill you but you always have the upper hand when they engage.

and they walk into you and you say "You're in my ~~swamp~~ domain now", beating their asse- beating them up with your free stats.

Trundle's strong when you play by his rules in his frozen domain area and during his ult, and if you choose to fight him it's hard to escape and he sticks well, but if you choose not to fight at all he's worse than a champion with no poke: he can't take as many hits as a normal tank, he can't force an engage like a burst mage with flash, and he has very little ranged CC.

Also he can kill the enemy tank really really easily so he doesn't have to focus a ranged kiting champion at all. Against ADCs you can interrupt one dash with your huge range pillar and use frozen domain to try and catch up, which is much better than what juggernauts have

I see, so he just doesn't fit my playstyle then, as I like to force fights. I do like his sustain though.

It Hertz When IPDec 19, 20161 votes

Maokai's an OK support, depending on whatever the latest balance changes are. Targeted CC and AoE DR are decent support items, his passive charges twice as fast in a duo lane, and his saplings are wards, not just damage.

Cosmic WarperDec 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWGjtwyj,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-19T02:20:01.410+0000)

A support item that is allowed to be not-shit because no non-support will ever take it? 4 of them!?

HELL F'ing YES!!!

I see tanks taking redemption and locket lul

Ariel the CruelDec 19, 20161 votes

It is a tank item. They should be. If it becomes a default item on divers, juggernauts, and Vlad. . . then we have a problem.

Cosmic WarperDec 19, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AWGjtwyj,comment-id=00000000000100010000,timestamp=2016-12-19T09:10:09.833+0000)

If it becomes a default item on divers, juggernauts, and Vlad. . . then we have a problem.

except redemption isn't a tank item. It's supposed to be for enchanter supports

Tik115Dec 19, 20162 votes

Jhin Did someone say 4?

Hello I am BirdDec 20, 20161 votes

I've never seen a tank take item 3109 and I don't know why because it seems really good to have on a tank lmao

Ariel the CruelDec 21, 20161 votes

Depends on the tank. The Item is made for Braum, who is always within 2 poros of his ADC. Leona and Malphite are normally dead after the first 2 seconds of a teamfight and don't really benefit as much from the passive. Unless the ADC is a 6-item AD Kog/Twitch. Then They just enjoy the free mundo ult.

Michael SykesDec 20, 20161 votes

yeah, now we need more damage Kappa

invisiblecat1Dec 19, 201616 votes

I bet if veigar pressed R twitch would still die

Cosmic WarperDec 19, 20164 votes

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I bet if veigar pressed R twitch would still die

The damage scaling works off of twitch's missing hp so it would probably burn through the shield easily at that point

KoKobotoDec 19, 20169 votes

So much this... Talon sees Jhin with only 1000 health (55% health) , goes for full combo After Jhin still at 1000 health, locket + face of mountain + karma shield