150 armor, Zed takes 85% of my HP with w q e combo. Ok?

The King Diamond·Jun 30, 2018·91 votes·19,366 views

???? This stupid dmg meta.

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bbQsauçeJun 30, 201872 votes

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Radiant WukongJun 30, 20184 votes

This

2Charmnot2CharmJun 30, 20186 votes

Also love how he doesn't even show us video of it happening.

BLIGHTBRINGERJul 1, 20187 votes

While you have a point, would it be that hard to believe it though? Considering how high damage is in this game...

Edge of DaybreakJul 1, 20188 votes

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While you have a point, would it be that hard to believe it though? Considering how high damage is in this game...

Yes because we can still do math. Zed doesnt magically gain more damage because people don't like him if you have 150 armor and he takes 85% of your hp with 2 q's and 1 e that's not possible. I would be more willing to believe it if he said something like say 50% but 85% I am gonna need some kind of proof.

LeveretteJul 1, 20183 votes

Actually just recently I was playing the new Aatrox and, because Zed's burst had me tilting on the inside, I decided to cynically humor the situation by building full armor tank and proving a point to myself. I had 3000HP and 300 armor. Including the amount of time it took him to animate his entire ultimate, it took him 4 seconds to kill me.

I'd much rather just show you a gif of the replay because it's probably still within my last 20 games, but by pure annoying coincidence the League client is currently unable to bring up replays. I'll get it to you as soon as they fix that though.

EDIT: Oh but if anyone else's League client is functioning, it's the game where I went 6/16/6 yet still won because for some reason nobody but Zed wanted to stop my splitpushing. My items were item 3047 item 3075 item 3068 item 3026 item 3812 for burst survival and then just a random item 3057 I was gonna build into Gauntlet.

EDIT2: In case it wasn't obvious, Zed built item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3036 item 3158 and item 3026 My problem with Zed is that no matter how much you try to counterbuild him, he just ignores obscenely unrealistic levels of armor and nukes you anyway. As far as I can tell, he's always done this. I remember many years ago the same thing happened when I was Nasus with even more HP and armor. Considering a build like this will tear through squishies even easier, there's no reason for Zed not to default to this build. It's just the best build.

Sire HippingtonJul 1, 20183 votes

that's not a Zed thing, that's a lol Thing. It just doesn't feel like building defense is anything but a waste of gold once you got past 2-3 items, damage outscales defense so absurdly hard it's rediculous

abdollah56273Jul 1, 20181 votes

Your build wasn't very good against zed honestly. A thornmail against Zed is useless. You should've built Deadman and Sterak instead

LeveretteJul 1, 20183 votes

Isn't it a serious problem with the game's design when you can keep a straight face while claiming that +80 Armor and +250HP is useless against a physical damage dealing burst assassin?

I don't care if it's optimal or not, 3000HP padded with 300+ armor should halt physical burst in its tracks, not die in one swift combo. There is no excusing how much better physical damage is than magic damage. I guarantee you 300MR would make a mage wish he was never born.

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøJun 30, 201836 votes

Zed got 4 buffs in a row dont worry he wont be nerfed --_--

Anin777Jul 1, 20182 votes

Considering how gosh darn awful he was before those buffs, well yes he shouldn't be nerfed.

Zach xDJul 1, 20181 votes

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Considering how gosh darn awful he was before those buffs, well yes he shouldn't be nerfed.

You're right, Kaisa didn't deserve her nerfs either, should've left her at pick/ban because she released in the dumpster. This logic is ass.

Anin777Jul 1, 20181 votes

Uhh Kai'sa deals hybrid dmg which is probably the hardest to counter. Compared to Zed she has a way higher dps so miss me with your garbage attacks.

Zach xDJul 14, 20181 votes

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Uhh Kai'sa deals hybrid dmg which is probably the hardest to counter. Compared to Zed she has a way higher dps so miss me with your garbage attacks.

You're right. Kaisa does hybrid damage, so buff Zed.

???

Anin777Jul 14, 20181 votes

Sigh. You need to level up your comprehension skills. Kai'sa did hybrid dmg which is hard to balance/counter. So they nerfed her. Zed deals physical dmg and is countered heavily by armor. Also consider it was Ardent meta not too long ago, he couldn't even kill ADCs. Let alone tanks. So he got buffs to compensate.

Zach xDJul 16, 20181 votes

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Sigh. You need to level up your comprehension skills. Kai'sa did hybrid dmg which is hard to balance/counter. So they nerfed her. Zed deals physical dmg and is countered heavily by armor. Also consider it was Ardent meta not too long ago, he couldn't even kill ADCs. Let alone tanks. So he got buffs to compensate.

Zed was weak in the last meta, so even though he's strong in the current meta, we can't nerf him.

???????

Anin777Jul 17, 20181 votes

nvm

NipsahoyJun 30, 201812 votes

Elite melee champion design.

Handin Out NapsJun 30, 201812 votes

Would really appreciate a replay.

Edit: Oh are you talking about the urf game? Where Zed probably hit you with multiple abilities and was 5k gold ahead. Well cant say I dont expect stuff like this from the boards.

IllabetheJun 30, 20188 votes

Tbh in Armor, that's not much. If it was Resist that'd be significant. 150 Armor is basically one Armor item. Also willing to bet it wasn't an HP item as well. Prob item 3110 .

Also.... he prob hit you with 2 Q's not one ( Shadow + Him) and maybe even 2 E's (the spin can also hit twice).

Don't fight him around his shadows...

VyntriusJun 30, 201834 votes

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Tbh in Armor, that's not much. If it was Resist that'd be significant. 150 Armor is basically one Armor item. Also willing to bet it wasn't an HP item as well. Prob .

Also.... he prob hit you with 2 Q's not one ( Shadow + Him) and maybe even 2 E's (the spin can also hit twice).

Don't fight him around his shadows...

Hitting with 2 e's doesn't do more damage though, it only increases the slow.

Daddy AntsJun 30, 20188 votes

150 armor isn't that much.

That's basically Base Armor + a Frozen Heart/Thornmail.

If you're stupid enough to get hit by all that then you deserve to take the damage.

Dodge the Shurikens and don't stand near the shadow so it can't E you.

The Shurkens are skill shots from both him and the shadow.

TrikzterzArmaJun 30, 201818 votes

Are you for real with this comment? So you're saying no champion withskillshots are op? I mean, you can just avoid their damage. Ez is just overrated, you can just avoid his skillshots

Daddy AntsJun 30, 20181 votes

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Are you for real with this comment? So you're saying no champion withskillshots are op? I mean, you can just avoid their damage. Ez is just overrated, you can just avoid his skillshots

I'm aware Zed is OP. I am not in anyway denying that.

People need to stop acting like 150 armor is meaningful because it's not.

It's basically Base Armor + item 3110 or item 3075

LordGeovanniJun 30, 20186 votes

150 armor isnt alot but it should be that is one of the top armor items you have to buy to counter a assassins who is supposed to have long cooldown burst combos but dont. It isnt alot to an assassins but it SHOULD BE alot to an assassin adcs too but not so much that they cant do anything over long fights. That is also 2 non top armor items which are more likely because building those armor items will leave you vulnerable to magic resist and armor penetration.

Modl Ryden lJun 30, 20188 votes

I'm gonna look at your match history and find that the Zed has built item 3147 item 3142 item 3071 and/or item 3036

So that's 35% armor pen from LDR, -4% armor for every stack from TBC, then -36 flat for Youmuus and Duskblade, granted it was level 18 when he killed you.

You're look at about 40ish armor after removal (I didn't take the time to compound TBC's shred this is only an estimate, treating TBC as 24% rather than 6 multiples of 4%. I also don't know you base armor because I have no idea what champ you were playing probably Darius or Sion I would assume). But understand that he built strictly armor penetration.

As others stated 150 total armor is like you have just bought 1 armor item. If you had bought another or 2 you wouldn't be chunked out so easily. Zed would be doing everything he could to escape you since his ability to skill a 3 armor item champ is difficult for how he's gated by energy costs with low cooldowns.

ThilmerJun 30, 201811 votes

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I'm gonna look at your match history and find that the Zed has built and/or

So that's 35% armor pen from LDR, -4% armor for every stack from TBC, then -36 flat for Youmuus and Duskblade, granted it was level 18 when he killed you.

You're look at about 40ish armor after removal (I didn't take the time to compound TBC's shred this is only an estimate, treating TBC as 24% rather than 6 multiples of 4%. I also don't know you base armor because I have no idea what champ you were playing probably Darius or Sion I would assume). But understand that he built strictly armor penetration.

As others stated 150 total armor is like you have just bought 1 armor item. If you had bought another or 2 you wouldn't be chunked out so easily. Zed would be doing everything he could to escape you since his ability to skill a 3 armor item champ is difficult for how he's gated by energy costs with low cooldowns.

You are literally admitting that armour pen is ridiculous with this comment.

IcyPepperJun 30, 20189 votes

If you build four items dedicated to armor penetration, you're going to penetrate armor.

Emo TwinkJun 30, 20186 votes

Lad, that's the issue. There's so much options for getting through armor its basically useless.

IcyPepperJul 1, 20183 votes

... Fair point. Maybe these items are just too good for AD champions in general, rather than benefiting specific classes? Makes me wish the LW upgrades only penetrated bonus armor...

One problem I see is that three of those items would give Zed 40% cdr with a good amount of AD, plenty of penetration, and some passives and HP. I wouldn't blame the penetration, but rather how much BC compliments a standard assassin build...

What if BC had its cdr removed and replaced with something else? And then we gave a different bruiser item cdr or added a bruiser item with cdr to compensate the class but made the item terrible for assassins?

I'm not sure what the solution is tbh, but now I see what the problem is. Thanks for helping me realize it.

Zach xDJul 1, 20182 votes

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Lad, that's the issue. There's so much options for getting through armor its basically useless.

Actually, building armor counteracts lethality, believe it or not. Lethality is a stat that's meant to be strong against squishy targets because the armor pen it provides is a flat amount. Against a squishy that builds armor, the flat amount ignores a larger percentage of their armor because their armor value is lower. Against targets with more armor, lethality is much less effective for the same reason, and since Lethality is something that items are budgeted for, they typically don't scale well into targets/teams that stack armor over raw damage.

Somebody Love MeJul 1, 20184 votes

But then item 3071 and item 3036 along with lethality makes armor useless because % armor pen is calculated before flat armor pen I think

TeCoolMageJul 1, 20182 votes

The armour pen countering armour is not the problem imo, it's that Zed still bursts squishies.

He should have to choose between destroying tanks and destroying squishies.

LacerationJun 30, 20187 votes

Sorry but you have to link the game as this situation is probably because he's above in several levels and more than likely 3 armorpen items with GA and tabis while you have bare minimum armor at most

Arcane Blue BoiJun 30, 20187 votes

The other day i was ornn, had 260~ armor, and a rengar killed me in 2.22 seconds, according to death recap.

Anin777Jul 1, 20181 votes

what did he have ?

Arcane Blue BoiJul 1, 20183 votes

Ornn, 265 armor 3000 hp Rengar, Duskblade Ghostblade Stormrazor's Stattik IE Mobility boots

Anin777Jul 1, 20181 votes

So full build Rengar with almost 100 lethality. Totally get why he killed you.

PB4UAMEJul 1, 20181 votes

Uh, how does 18 + 18 = almost 100? Try a fucking third of that, kid.

Anin777Jul 2, 20181 votes

His ult gives armpen. There's a rune that gives lethality on dash. That's about 70 which IS almost 100. So your point is?

PB4UAMEJul 3, 20181 votes

Its actually armor reduction, which while close to the same thing, gets applied differently and in a separate step than lethality. Most notably, it does not depend on your or the target's level at all, and reductions can go below zero, where as lethality and penetration cannot.

The rune adds 10, so now we're at 46. Not 70. And I wouldn't even consider 70 almost 100, as its closer to 50 than to 100, but we're not even to 50 here. Adding in Rengar's rank 3 ult's 24 armor reduction you would hit 70 yes, but that's not 70 lethality, it's 46, and again, there is a huge difference between 70 and 100.

Much more accurate to say 50 lethality, and/or ~70 pen than to try to say 100 lethality. The difference between 100 lethality and 50 is 50% of your target's total HP less physical effective health for them to survive your damage. That is one helluva difference.

Who Fed RuJul 1, 20187 votes

Back in my days you needed a replay or at least some kind of context for a post to be relevant.

But the same kind of people who make posts like this reach front page wonder why Riot doesn't take their own forums seriously, so whatever.

BârdJul 1, 20186 votes

I'll provide context since you don't seem too interested in doing so.

Here's the game I think you're referring to.

Illaoi 27/13/12 item 3071 item 3053 item 3812 item 3026 item 3065 item 3047

Zed 24/11/11 item 3142 item 3156 item 3147 item 3071 item 3033 item 3047

He has four armor pen items, and you've decided it would be wise to build four damage items on Illaoi.

You are squishy as fuck. You should not be surprised that you die fast.

If you aren't referring to this game, you'd be referring to your Zac game. That was an URF game.

PB4UAMEJul 1, 20184 votes

That build should not be squishy as fuck. There is armor, substantial amounts of health, a massive shield, a revive passive, physical omnivamp, damage reduction -> D.o.T. effect and increased healing from all sources (also magic resist, and less damage taken on auto attacks, but these aren't relevant to the wqe combo in the OP).

This is the whole fucking problem. That build should offer substantial survivability but it doesn't. You're acting like he's purchased all AD/AS/crit chance/IE without a lick of defense or mitigation, but that's over half the gold value of the items he's purchased. He's paying more for defense than offense with that build, it's not a fucking glass cannon.

Anin777Jul 1, 20182 votes

He has literally 4 armpen items and a lifesteal reduction item. Considering it's illaoi vs Zed he can ult, AA, W away, Hit 3 Qs and she won't be able to hit him with her autos or tentacles to get hp back. Stop acting like this is tanky. This same Zed vs a Malph/Rammus with full build will lose miserably.

Violet FieldsJun 30, 20185 votes

Attention people, he's posting this on a level 5 smurf so either he's lying and it never happened, or he just doesn't want us to look at the game itself, which I don't see why he WOULDN'T let us copy paste their name into the client.

MarshbouyJun 30, 20186 votes

On my computer it says he's level 87

SchzymJul 1, 20183 votes

LAUGHS IN DUSKBLADE

An Enemy SutandoJul 1, 20183 votes

Smells like BS.

1542Jul 1, 20182 votes

there was this match yesterday an underleveled zed ulted my ashe she managed to get off him with 50% hp, only the mark was left on ashe, suddenly the mark explodes killing ashe i mean only the mark took 50% of ashe hp, what is that BS, riot excuse to rework talon was that he was doing this shit, bursting targets in a second, and it was labeled as unhealthy gameplay, but you have other assassins doing the exact same thing, 20/5 rengar ult>jumps on a champion>???>rengo has slain an enemy, now you wait 40 seconds for ult to be up again and repeat, kha'zix does the same jumps in kills a target R jumps out or reposition and kills another target.