Before riot nerfed the 3-4 picks that were decent bot and then buffed ADCs back where they belong.
Now we're back into ADCs being mandatory in botlane!
Thank God I was actually hating the diversity
I guess Reddit bitching and pro players being unable to adapt trowing tantrums does its job
Blåbæret28 votesIt's cancer seeing Tristana back in the meta.
Unstoppable Monk15 votesIt's cancer seeing Tristana.
i agree
ParvatiShallow2 votes[{quoted}](name=Unstoppable Monk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AU4dMXE2,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-08-18T23:59:46.919+0000)
i agree
Yet she has the lowest winrate on lolalytics for adcs lmao. Pretty delusional people. I don't even play trist just find it hilarious how dumb boards can be. Oh wait you are silver 5, carry on ;P
Ryusaether1 votesCan't she still be cancer to see and deal with even if not op?
FixHealsRemoveGW2 votesWell... not really. I guess it depends on what cancer means for you. I'd interpret it as hatred. Why do you hate this champion? Because it does certain things that you find frustrating to deal with? Why is it frustrating? Because you don't want to play around what this champion does even though you know exactly what it does. So you are too stubborn. If you know what Tristana does and it is statistically clearly not OP, then you are just refusing to deal with her in the appropriate way, because again she can't be too hard to deal with when she is statistically not overpowered at all and you have the necessary experience.
So it's an issue that you created for yourself and you can't expect that everyone can relate to you calling her "cancer". That's just a very subjective attribute that you gave her to express your hatred and it actually has no place in a boards discussion, yet we see it all the time.... I know.
Ryusaether1 votesI actually had a positive winrate against trist (I haven't been playing adc for a while now), I used to main Draven and I usually steamrolled her with timed Es on her jumps etc. But she still feels frustrating to deal with.
You can't dodge literally ANY of her spells, she's full point and click. The only thing you can dodge is the jump and she usually does it to jump away and still kite you with her enormous range and RFC.
It's undeniable (from my perspective) that her kit is kinda overloaded for an ADC, and she is a bit too much statchecky tbh.
Even say Jinx has to use chompers properly and hit Zapper or the Megadeathrocket, and she doesn't have on demand steroids and a free out of jail card. Sure, she compensates with loads of AoE chaotic damage in teamfights and ome of the best ADC passives ever seen, but to me that's not even remotely as annoying as a squishy bursty/dps with a reset on jump (that can ignore CC on buffer) and a "get off of me" ult. Playing Darius or other melees into this little garbage can is very very lame, I can assure you.
Anyway, these kind of champions, for how much I call them cancerous or other names, are kinda needed. You feel satisfied after destroying them and they force you to play better than ever not to lose your mind against their bullshit.
FixHealsRemoveGW2 votesThis game is full of bullshit or there is no bullshit at all. It just depends on your attitude. Like, somebody can rage about Annie being a noob champion and another player is like "sure whatever, what is your problem?".
And I think if you want to be a really good player you kinda need to get over this hating of certain champions or abilities and just be more objective. Don't be so emotionally affected by the game elements. I mean it's like you are playing chess and you hate the queen for being too mobile or something, well that doesn't help you at all. Just accept the rules of the game.
Ryusaether1 votesYou make a good point indeed.
I usually don't let things like these get over me, I mean it's a game after all, it's just the frustration of the moment. But I guess it's more of "what could've I done better to avoid this situation" and things like that.
FixHealsRemoveGW2 votesEveryone has such moments, but I think they shouldn't be carried into balance discussions. It creates a very toxic environment. You can't judge about the game rules when you never learned to deal with them to begin with.
So for example hashinshin does it all the time and it made him popular. I think that's also bad with so many viewers he actually has responsibility, but the way he discusses balance is really bad for the game.
Unstoppable Monk1 votesYet she has the lowest winrate on lolalytics for adcs lmao. Pretty delusional people. I don't even play trist just find it hilarious how dumb boards can be. Oh wait you are silver 5, carry on ;P
You must be the most hardstuck and bitter player just to be snide in a discussion concerning how fun it is to have a certain champion in your game. It literally has nothing to do with its power, having that ADC on either team in every fucking game is just annoying.
Plat 5 is basically trash that can only talk shit because that's the only macro skill they have anyway.
ParvatiShallow1 votes[{quoted}](name=Unstoppable Monk,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AU4dMXE2,comment-id=0008000000000001,timestamp=2018-08-20T14:00:00.545+0000)
You must be the most hardstuck and bitter player just to be snide in a discussion concerning how fun it is to have a certain champion in your game. It literally has nothing to do with its power, having that ADC on either team in every fucking game is just annoying.
Plat 5 is basically trash that can only talk shit because that's the only macro skill they have anyway.
Trist has a 5.6% pickrate. Are you able to do maths? She is not close to even being a regular pick. If you are having a tough time against trist you are just bad. She is weak in this meta ffs, far from cancer. No wonder you are posting garbage on boards. The worst thing is that riot sees this garbage from trolls on boards and may even consider it. Lmao, typical silver 5 player blaming everything but themselves for their shortcomings. Stay classy board troll. I haven't played ranked consistently in quite some time but can see you are the one who is actually hardstuck. How ironic.
FixHealsRemoveGW1 votesI recently played Demolish/Grasp tristana top with AD, attack speed and health.
My KDA was fucking garbage but hey I did like 16k damage to turrets and we won. xD
FixHealsRemoveGW1 votesIt literally has nothing to do with its power, having that ADC on either team in every fucking game is just annoying.
Sure if your attitude is garbage and you can't think rationally then I guess the champion's power doesn't matter, but then it is still your problem and not everyone's. Find your own solution.
Unstoppable Monk1 votes[sg-lux-2]
Some people dislike Tristana metas in general, so keep being wrong on your shitty anon board account while pretending to sound smart.
FixHealsRemoveGW1 votesI like how you don't have a good answer and are posting anyway to tell me I am wrong. Stop fooling yourself.
Unstoppable Monk1 votesSounds like you're plat 5 trash but ok.
LegitBusinessman3 votesIt's cancer seeing Tristana back in the meta.
Thats silly I made a post about her kite negates every weakness a marksman has and got a ton of downvotes. Clearly she has a weak early game or something. (She doesnt)
Verxint1 votesShe had a weak early game by riots definition.
Which actually means "she won't 100-0 you at level 6 before you can react"
saltran8 votesShe's not back on the meta wtf are you talking about, guess we are back on the adcs circlejerk I love it.
JackMcSnipeyz22 votesAnother one of those "MAH DIVERSITY" threads. It was not diverse, you just replaced marksmen with mages who were already being played mid. Great diversity, having 3 mages and 2 bruisers in a game, please tell me how fun and exciting fiddle/heimer lanes are OHHHHH SO MUCH DIVERSE, I LOVE BEING CC LOCKED UNDER MY TURRET!
Only mage who was nerfed was swain anyway, so what's stopping you from still picking cancer like heimer/vlad bot? Oh right, you probably dont even touch botlane, you just hate marksmen so the thought of them being in a good place irks you and annoys you. Okay
Hexs Fortune21 votesThe result so far is that ADC are still weaker than they were before the initial changes, and mage botlaners are still stronger in the role than they were before.
Players have been running ADC in bot for years and if both ADC and mages are viable there, players will default to what they know and are accustomed to.
Teridax684 votes... except more players have been not defaulting to ADCs in the past few months, because non-ADCs had at least some chance of competing. Now we're back in a spot where ADCs are pretty much mandatory, which implies a balance problem, rather than one of habit. The fact that ADCs are back to mandatory status even after being weaker than before shows just how bad things used to be, even if things are still not great now.
saltran8 votesThe fact that ADCs are back to mandatory status even after being weaker than before shows just how bad things used to be
Nah, you can still play mages botlanes but now you have to be good to play it.
OtterlyLost18 votesThey didn't nerf any of the top tier picks beyond Swain. Heimer, yasuo, etc were left alone. For that matter, they're all still viable and good. ._. And there are still a ton of ADC picks who have sub 50% winrates. And finally, it's not like the top tier picks dont have other lanes they could go to. Its less devastating for them to not be able to play bot lane than the 15 or so marksmen who only have one lane.
Häxel1 votesyes heimer is still good. No, yasuo is no longer good bot. And they also nerfed irelia for bot/mid and changed her so she better fits top again. Yes, there are adc picks sub 50%, but there are also adcs over 50%. And guess what, that is ALWAYS the case. Even 8.11 adcs as a whole had a higher winrate as non adcs as a whole, single winrates of like 4 non adcs count not as much. But the number of sub 50 champs is not in soem special case big. From 8 years of leauge there existed only one weak time ona dcs and that was early year of 2017 the the "adc in 2k17 meme", there just 3 adcs had an over 50% winrate which were Jhin, Varus and Ashe with Cait beeing close to 50. And at that time non adcs were still not even played. Funny thing is tha before that there were also noa dc nerfs, just lethalaty buffs and the assassinrework, where people played jhin and varus with lethalaty and ma safe distance while only poking with spells and not doign autoattacks. Then crit and botrk got buffed. In the history of leauge we just had for a limited time mordekaiser and ziggs bot viability. So on the case that riot totaly chaged back from diversity after a month, maybe not wih nerfs but definetly with countless of buffs, op is right.
15 marksman only have one role? Yea, just cause you don't try. Thre existed Varus mid, Ezreal mid and jgl, Kog'maw mid ad jgl, Twitch jgl, Lucian mid, top,e ven jungel with funneling, kais'sa jgl the same, vayne top, even sivir or caitlyn top. You can try to paly any adc jungle as you can easily kite them. Ashe jungle with her ult as ganktool can work as much as yasuo bot. We are not talking about janna or sona, who really only fit into support. And even on support there exist far more vdiversity as on adc. There are like 50 Champions top out of 141, and 25-35 champs on support, why should only 15-20 champions be allowed as bot carry?
OtterlyLost1 votesyes heimer is still good. No, yasuo is no longer good bot. And they also nerfed irelia for bot/mid and changed her so she better fits top again. Yes, there are adc picks sub 50%, but there are also adcs over 50%. And guess what, that is ALWAYS the case. Even 8.11 adcs as a whole had a higher winrate as non adcs as a whole, single winrates of like 4 non adcs count not as much. But the number of sub 50 champs is not in soem special case big. From 8 years of leauge there existed only one weak time ona dcs and that was early year of 2017 the the "adc in 2k17 meme", there just 3 adcs had an over 50% winrate which were Jhin, Varus and Ashe with Cait beeing close to 50. And at that time non adcs were still not even played. Funny thing is tha before that there were also noa dc nerfs, just lethalaty buffs and the assassinrework, where people played jhin and varus with lethalaty and ma safe distance while only poking with spells and not doign autoattacks. Then crit and botrk got buffed. In the history of leauge we just had for a limited time mordekaiser and ziggs bot viability. So on the case that riot totaly chaged back from diversity after a month, maybe not wih nerfs but definetly with countless of buffs, op is right.
15 marksman only have one role? Yea, just cause you don't try. Thre existed Varus mid, Ezreal mid and jgl, Kog'maw mid ad jgl, Twitch jgl, Lucian mid, top,e ven jungel with funneling, kais'sa jgl the same, vayne top, even sivir or caitlyn top. You can try to paly any adc jungle as you can easily kite them. Ashe jungle with her ult as ganktool can work as much as yasuo bot. We are not talking about janna or sona, who really only fit into support. And even on support there exist far more vdiversity as on adc. There are like 50 Champions top out of 141, and 25-35 champs on support, why should only 15-20 champions be allowed as bot carry?
Yasuo is still fine bot lane. I've gone against him bot a handful of times in the last few days and struggled to win against him. He was fine bot lane before 8.11 hit as well and there are a small minority of Yasuo bot mains who played him there with great success. He's viable bot and always has been. And for that matter, he has one of the highest winrates bot lane right now.
Irelia was nerfed for mid and bot because irelia mains specifically asked for her to be brought back viable for toplane. She is still playable mid as well but even before ADCs got buffed back up, she was rarely played bot lane. She was never a top tier pick.
And before 8.11 sure, there were ADCs with sub 50% winrates but before 8.11, there were far less of them. I feel the marksmen class as a whole was fine before 8.11 and people are just whiny, salty people who play bad one to two games and need a scape goat to throw it on. Currently there are 9 champions with a sub 50% and a lot of those are due to changes to their items that never were fixed or adjusted for them properly.
Also, saying I dont try is also BS. The same could be said of people who say only Marksmen can go bot lane.
The fact of the matter is I have tried and it leaves the team with a janky teamcomp and we end up losing. that and ADC base damages are so laughably low that even top lane their range stops mattering after level 3 and/or ninja tabis. ADCs have been nerfed and groomed for only a duo lane by riot for years and instead of rebalancing them personally to help them function in multiple lanes, Riot sought "diversity" by brutally mangling their items, base stats, and keystone with no compensatory buffs whatsoever. It was lazy and half assed and is why so many ADC mains were angry in the first place. They displaced an entire class of champions for "diversity" without giving them any other options.
And a better question for you to ask is why should 15 champions only be viable bot lane? People like to bring up graves and Quinn but Riot themselves consider them specialist instead of Marksmen.
As for varus, kog, and ezreal mid, when are you playing? They haven't been able to go mid since at least season 5. Have you seen the assassins mid? and if mages are already going bot lane and shitting on ADCs there, in what universe do you think they wont do it midlane?
Vayne top has always been troll and theres never been one in my games that I won because of them. They were always deadweight.
And no, you can't play any ADC jungle. That's a recipe for you to get invaded constantly because most ADCs dont have the tools to duel other junglers with early. And the way the jungle is right now, you need to be able to fight the enemy jungle.
Again, I think the question you should be asking yourself is why 15 champions are allowed only in one lane? It couldn't possibly be because if they go another lane people complain and get them nerfed.
XxxLumberJackxxX1 votesThey didn't nerf any of the top tier picks beyond Swain. Heimer, yasuo, etc were left alone. For that matter, they're all still viable and good. ._. And there are still a ton of ADC picks who have sub 50% winrates. And finally, it's not like the top tier picks dont have other lanes they could go to. Its less devastating for them to not be able to play bot lane than the 15 or so marksmen who only have one lane.
Almost all marksmen can be played mid matchup depending
OtterlyLost1 votesAlmost all marksmen can be played mid matchup depending
Match up depending on what? Literally when they were over nerfed, they got destroyed by mages bot lane and that's with a support; I don't know why it would be better solo mid. And most of them can't go into assassins post 3. So IDK what matches they're supposedly viable into midlane.
Jerry SeinfeId14 votesExcept the top mage picks weren't nerfed and are still viable bot. The problem you have is that adc are actually viable (and atleast 1 is broken 
).
Which you don't want. You don't actually want diversity, you want adc to be to weak to function.
I was excited when i heard about riot's decision to support "ROLE DIVERSITY" but there was one thing i was afraid of. ADC would be gutted and slowly buffed back and only the botlane would be opened up for other classes. That happened, and while i was hoping for bruisers to become viable bot laners that honor went to mages instead. Now tell me, what happened to other lanes/roles? Nothing, the same shit still rules the midlane (mages vs assassins), toplane is still a clusterfuck of melees/tanks and a few exception champs. Jungle is stille tanks, bruisers, assassins and a few specially designed champs. The only thing outside of bot that was kinda weird was taliyah jungle.
So tell me, why is it such a bad thing that i can play jinx (my favourite champ) in the botlane again while mister MEMAGEFUCKRITO gets to choose between 2 lanes? I just had a taric go 0/5 on me because it was 2 rando's vs 2 premades, you think i don't wanna just go play jinx mid sometimes? But if that was an option you'd be crying about favouritism.
Now i know what you're thinking "this dude is just an adc main". I do like marksmen, especially jinx but i don't main the adc position. Which brings me to my second point about this so called "diversity": I'm still not capable of playing Leona in the jungle (or top), the pick that got leona to my 2nd most (3rd now) played champion. The position i used to get m7 on her. Jungle changed and it became more difficult to contest the early 1v1 champs. Up top she can't duel anyone, she has no % hp to deal with tanks, like most tanks have or any ad scaling like bruisers have. She's forced into the support role, which to me doesn't deliver on the sword & board warrior lady fantasy she should be.
TLDR:
You want adc out the botlane, then allow them into other lanes.
There was no actual push for diversity outside bot, adc just got gutted and other champs were still forced into certain roles.
BestPudgeNA2 votes[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AU4dMXE2,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2018-08-19T00:38:42.845+0000)
Except the top mage picks weren't nerfed and are still viable bot. The problem you have is that adc are actually viable (and atleast 1 is broken
ADCs were never even close to not viable. A few ADCs were weak, but the class as a whole has ALWAYS been like that. The champs are too similar and basically whichever ones can abuse the current best items are always pushing the "weak" ones that don't uses the items well out of the meta.
Mages really aren't viable bot ATM. Swain is okay but the entire combine play rate for Bot laners that aren't ADCs is like 6% total in plat+ elos. To put that in perspective Ashe a supposedly weak ADC according too this thread has a 6% pick rate herself
There was no actual push for diversity outside bot, adc just got gutted and other champs were still forced into certain roles.
Every other role even the other role in bot lane AKA support has always had diversity. No push for diversity in other roles because they already have it.
Jerry SeinfeId5 votesADCs were never even close to not viable. A few ADCs were weak, but the class as a whole has ALWAYS been like that. The champs are too similar and basically whichever ones can abuse the current best items are always pushing the "weak" ones that don't uses the items well out of the meta.
the classic crit adc were in no way viable, both high elo and pro players agreed on that. We saw mages beat adc in the botlane at the pro level. No adc was considered any higher than tier 2 compared to god tier and tier 1 for mages and yasuo. you might not agree with tier lists but they often represent what the highest level players think. Just because we play in silver and it doesn't really matter what we pick doesn't mean they were viable.
the only viable marksmen were Kai'sa and ezreal and even they were at 47-48% winrate.
Mages really aren't viable bot ATM. Swain is okay but the entire combine play rate for Bot laners that aren't ADCs is like 6% total in plat+ elos. To put that in perspective Ashe a supposedly weak ADC according too this thread has a 6% pick rate herself
They're still perfectly viable Heimer and swain still seem to be performing well and vlad/veigar seem to be performing as well as the average adc. Yasuo is even doing just fine bot.
"B...but the entire combine playrate is lower.." Yeah and now look at the playrate of marksmen adc in other roles. It's pretty much 0, aside from quin/corki. and those 2 are something special. So if a class playerbase is spread over 5 roles (mages) and the other's is stuck to 1 role doesn't it make sense that in that 1 role there's more of 1 than the other?.
And ashe is the first champion people play in this game, she's cheap, easy to pick up and overall stays somewhat usefull no matter what due to her Supportive side.
Every other role even the other role in bot lane AKA support has always had diversity. No push for diversity in other roles because they already have it.
Except riot talked about CHAMPION role diversity, not botlane role diversity. So that was still a lie, plenty of champs are forced into the support role and some into jungle. The whole marksman class is forced into the botlane even.
BestPudgeNA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AU4dMXE2,comment-id=000a00010000,timestamp=2018-08-19T12:31:08.711+0000)
the classic crit adc were in no way viable, both high elo and pro players agreed on that. We saw mages beat adc in the botlane at the pro level. No adc was considered any higher than tier 2 compared to god tier and tier 1 for mages and yasuo. you might not agree with tier lists but they often represent what the highest level players think. Just because we play in silver and it doesn't really matter what we pick doesn't mean they were viable.
the only viable marksmen were Kai'sa and ezreal and even they were at 47-48% winrate.
This is the meme the reality is far from this. For starters Both EZ and Kai'sa were hotfix nerfed on patch 8.11 because they were too strong. They weren't 47-48% win rate Kai'sa was above 50 and EZ was at like 49% but win rates aren't really a good indicator of champ strength, pick/ban rates are. During this time Kai'sa had like 90% presence in solo Q and nearly 100% in Pro play and EZ was pretty much the same at like 60-80. Lucian was also the 3rd most picked bot laner and was/is very strong. During 8.11-13 in solo Q, the only non-marksman with high pick rates were Yasuo and Swain. They weren't even very high in the top 10 like 6th and 10th respectively.
Plenty of Crit ADCs were being played in solo Q in high elo. Draven with Stormrazor into RFC IE was the number one win rate bot laner on 8.11 with about 10% pick rate. Jhin was building the same core and was very popular with a solid win rate. In pro play Xayah was considered an A+ tier champ was being pick bot lane plenty and also funneled in the Jungle and she was building Full crit, Ashe has also been meta for this time period in pro play and she builds BotRK into Hurricane+IE as her core.
Plenty of high elo and pro players didn't agree with this, it was basically 6-7 really loud/popular ADCs mains that were saying this. There is a video with Perks basically mocking Doublelift and Rekkles crying about the ADC changes. Dom was constantly mocking them.
They'e still perfectly viable Heimer and swain still seem to be performing well and vlad/veigar seem to be performing as well as the average adc. Yasuo is even doing just fine bot.
Swain is viable and will likely stay viable even with ADC being overpower because his passive makes him really good in a 2 v 2 lane and you don't need ADCs to siege towers anymore. But literally all those champs you named have a combined play rate below that of Ashe, because they aren't viable other then Swain. Nothing is doing fine bot lane besides Swain and Marksman.
B...but the entire combine playrate is lower; Yeah and now look at the playrate of marksmen adc in other roles. It's pretty much 0, aside from quin/corki. and those 2 are something special. So if a class playerbase is spread over 5 roles (mages) and the other's is stuck to 1 role doesn't it make sense that in that 1 role there's more of 1 than the other?.
Graves and Kindred are both marksman and both doing great ATM. Lucian is more viable mid then half the champs you mentioned bot lane. Vayne is still a counter pick to a tank top. Teemo is marksman that is viable in top lane.
Yes it does make sense, but it what doesn't make sense is for that one archetype to have a monopoly on that other role and to be considered untouchable. It also, is just a flat out lie that marksman weren't the most highly picked champs by a wide margin for both pro and solo Q on 8.11-13.
Mizaya13 votes
Yeah, I don't think these champs are going to be missed as bot laners...
If this was diversity, then holy shit is there an argument for hating diversity
saltran3 votesDae anyone missed the Heimer-Fiddle botane so fun and interactive
LTK KoRo2 votesWell Heimer is more healthy on bot than... anywhere else
Chembaron Yamada1 votesIn mid lane, I think he is healthier. He mostly is just a counterpick against melee assassins there and most mages can deal pretty well with him with their range.
Doctor Dyment1 votesSo, 96% of people who play Heimerdinger are just that, niche picks. However, if you play him right Heimerdinger is a pocket overpowered champion. I know it is really hard to believe, but it is true. His damage can reach hilarious levels.
Toppien4 voteshhehehe guess whos back...
[slayer-jinx-wink]
Mordepool32 votesTo be fair they never left. Just whined a lot. Typical
Jerry SeinfeId16 voteskinda like morde mains when he wasn't on the roadmap...
Mordepool4 votesWe got a Nod for next year. But I can't understand Riot logic:give Akali a hold over GU and a Rework before they help Morde. A Champion who averaged a 46% winrate for 2 years. Yup sure felt like depression and Frustration for 2 years. But that fine it's just Morde mains. Fuck em
Jefftiffy4 votesWe got a Nod for next year. But I can't understand Riot logic:give Akali a hold over GU and a Rework before they help Morde. A Champion who averaged a 46% winrate for 2 years. Yup sure felt like depression and Frustration for 2 years. But that fine it's just Morde mains. Fuck em
Bias much they turned him from an unbalancable mess to a broken mess for almost half a season. Akali got a mini rework that guttered the little she was good at. And she finally got a large scale rework that made her viable again and you are complaining.
Catastrophic6 votes[{quoted}](name=Jerry SeinfeId,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AU4dMXE2,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-08-19T00:39:05.007+0000)
kinda like morde mains when he wasn't on the roadmap...
Colton1474 votes
is still gutted and a auto-loss troll pick. 
LegitBusinessman2 votes
I don't understand why people downvote you. She has the worst early game of any champ in the game I swear. Playing her feels so bad even if you get fed.
LTK KoRo6 votesOH NO, hypercarry does have a bad early game? How could that happen? We need to send immediate buffs
saltran1 votesShe has the worst early game of any champ in the game
Plot twist: she doesn't have the worst early game of any champ in the game.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesWho has a weaker early in your opinion?
SMOKE THIS1 votes[deleted]
RyzeTheSmurfMage4 votesCause salty ADC mains don't want you to play a champ that isn't all right click (with some exceptions).
