I've notice an increase amount of abyssal scepter as 1st item.
Cost 2350
Very cost Efficient:
50Mr
70AP
20 Magic resist reduction.
Can someone calculate how good this 20 MR reduction is.
At what lv do you think a mid laner finish building abyssal?
How good is the defensive 50Mr against a morello and other 1st AP item?
This Item is beneficial on both snowballer and people that are tilting.
Sona Ping3 votesCan someone calculate how good this 20 MR reduction is.
No, that's impossible to say. That is entirely dependent on how much MR your opponent has and how much magic damage your team has.
At what lv do you think a mid laner finish building abyssal?
That's impossible to say. That is depends on how much gold the player is getting through CS, take-downs, and assists, which is going to vary, not just from player to player, but from game to game as well.
How good is the defensive 50Mr against a morello and other 1st AP item?
#I know these aren't the answers you probably wanted, but they are the complete and true answers.
taleofsonata2 votesCalculate with the average please.
Sona Ping2 votesAs I said, that is impossible. What on Earth can you honestly expect **anyone **to calculate from? There is nothing to calculate.
On champions that can use Abyssal Scepter, in games where what brings is useful, it's a good item. When that's not the case, it's not. That is all that can accurately be said.
taleofsonata2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ARiQcY0U,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-01-16T16:09:59.463+0000)
As I said, that is impossible. What on Earth can you honestly expect **anyone **to calculate from? There is nothing to calculate.
On champions that can use Abyssal Scepter, in games where what brings is useful, it's a good item. When that's not the case, it's not. That is all that can accurately be said.
If math are too hard for you can you please stop making uneccessary comments?
Sona Ping2 votesIf math are too hard for you can you please stop making uneccessary comments? [sic]
What numbers? You expect people to do math unless "if math are too hard", but where are the numbers? There aren't any! There are no numbers that quantify how good an item, so there is especially aren't any that can be used to compare Abyssal Scepter to Morellonomicon. There's no way to say "Well AS is worth 148 points as first item, while morrello's is worth 156 points, so it's better to get Morello's first." There's no rubric for this; Math doesn't work that way!
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ARiQcY0U,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-01-16T16:09:59.463+0000)
As I said, that is impossible. What on Earth can you honestly expect **anyone **to calculate from? There is nothing to calculate.
On champions that can use Abyssal Scepter, in games where what brings is useful, it's a good item. When that's not the case, it's not. That is all that can accurately be said.
"impossible" more like "i'm too lazy to figure this thing out so i'll just say it's impossible"
The item is great if you are playing against a magic heavy teamcomp or your opponent is an AP assassin and you want some survavility. 50 extra MR is great to have in those situations and the 20 mr reduction is pretty decent early on and against low mr targets but obviously loses usefulness the more MR the enemy team starts getting.
Wow that was so IMPOSSIBLE right!? you don't need to calculate things, just say when the item is good and when it isn't instead of saying stupid things like "there's nothing to calculate" and "it's impossible"
Sona Ping2 votesThe item is great if you are playing against a magic heavy teamcomp or your opponent is an AP assassin and you want some survavility. 50 extra MR is great to have in those situations and the 20 mr reduction is pretty decent early on and against low mr targets but obviously loses usefulness the more MR the enemy team starts getting.
Wow, that is almost EXACTLY what I said, except a bit longer! [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Now, how about you share the numbers and all the math that OP wants?
If math are too hard for you can you please stop making uneccessary comments?
Because "math are too hard" for me, apparently.
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ARiQcY0U,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2016-01-16T16:23:31.220+0000)
Wow, that is almost EXACTLY what I said, except a bit longer! [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Now, how about you share the numbers and all the math that OP wants?
Because "math are too hard" for me, apparently.
YOU SAID NOTHING. You just spewed "it's impossible!" and "where it's useful it is and when it isn't then it's not"... ok where is it useful? where it isn't? what good is 50 extra MR? when is it useful? when is the 20 MR reduction useful and when it isn't? YOU SAID NOTHING ABOUT THIS just "when it's good it's good, when it's bad it's bad"
taleofsonata2 votesOk you want to know how Gold Efficient Abyssal is?
1st Lets find out when you can get this item. 5min in game: If you last hit everysingle minions in 5 min how many gold will you make. If you get 1st blood how many gold will you make while taking in consideration that you last hit every single minion. If you have an average farm of XX Cs but gets consecutive kills on the same target. How many gold you get.
2nd Your enemie resistance Lets Say Ziggs give an exemple What runes does he run? Mr per Level or Flat MR What is his Base Mr? How much Mr he gains per Level.
3rd What Masteries rune you run and which champion you play? Diana What keystone, did you take the magic pen mastery? Many other stuff to take in consideration. Damage increase but damage receive too? Enemie hp under 50%?
4th Calculate How much damage you do with the Abyssal on Ziggs at the moment you get it Compare with an item with the same cost as Abyssal. How much damage does your Q do to Ziggs? How much Mr does Ziggs have at that moment you hit your Q with [slayer-jinx-unamused] If you going to comment please use your brain if you have one.
taleofsonata2 votesI know right this Sona guy doesn't make any sense. This channel on youtube called TrampolinesTales used to make video of LolMath because he calculate EVERYTHING. I miss him :<. He is like the part of the community that downvote stuff without a second though or any rational thinking
Erockandroll1 votesCalculate with the average please.
All champions have a base of 30. Only a hand full of them have scaling.
so 20 reduction would bring down the damage multiplyer from 100/130=.77 to 100/110 = .91. Roughly an 18% increase in damage against targets without any extra MR.
However Magic reduction can also reduce one's MR below 0. (unlike Magic penetration.) And this gives it power when farming minions. (about a 16% increase in minion damage.) And this is where I find it a good early game buy.
The MR on top of that basically ensures you will always be able to out duel your opposite number.
Princess Emma3 votesThis is correct.
Is one of the most situational items in the game.
the 20 magic resist reduction depends on
The magic resist is what Sona said.
If 
kills you each time you get to lane, and you are playing a champion like 
or 
, the item works wonders. If they have a full AD team, it wont really help much.
taleofsonata2 votesI know a youtuber who can calculate it. Its the guy who makes gold efficiency and show. but I don't remember his name.
Princess Emma2 votesI think Sona Ping means that it is impossible to calculate it's ''true'' efficiency if you take no numbers into account.
Let's say you take a random sample of 3 5v5 matches. Each match has an entirely different set of champions with different runes and masteries for every champion from those 3 matches, but we don't know who those champions are or their stats.
Let's say that the Abyssal Scepter is always 103.09% gold efficient regardless of numbers. It is 103.09% gold efficient according to the LoL Wiki without it's passive.
Match 1 - We don't know the champions or their builds so we assume Abyssal Scepter is 103.09% gold efficient in this match. Match 2 - We don't know the champions or their builds so we assume Abyssal Scepter is 103.09% gold efficient in this match. Match 3 - We don't know the champions or their builds so we assume Abyssal Scepter is 103.09% gold efficient in this match.
Since we have no numbers, we can't tell how efficient it really was those 3 matches so we have to use the information that we do know which is the Abyssal Scepter's gold efficiency which is 103.09%. It is impossible to tell how gold efficient the item REALLY was those 3 matches because we don't know the champions, their masteries, runes, or their build so we assume it's base efficiency.
If we DID know what the champions and their assets were, we would be able to do a calculation and find out how truly efficient it was each match.
It could be 110% gold efficient in Match 1 or it could be 120% gold efficient in Match 1, but we don't know what was in that match so it is impossible to tell it's true efficiency.
ElysMustache1 votesNot impossible. For example... should you get Void or Rabadons? Situational, right? But that doesn't mean you can't calculate it.
Here is an example of what the results of such a calculation looks like: http://media-titanium.cursecdn.com/attachments/thumbnails/45/905/638/638/rainbows-unite.png
ZephyrDrake2 votesone thing... IT DOESN'T COST OVER 3K GOLD!
Illiad1 votesIve never built it first lol, its nice on AP Melee champs because they are always in range to reduce their enemies Resistance while using your own to efficiently duel them. I play ranged AP champs and hardly ever see others like me build it early.
Troiann1 votesIt's really good against enemy AP mid laners. And yes, it's really cost efficient. It's also why a lot of APs are building RoA, after the nerf on morellos RoA has become the most cost efficient AP item according to one of scarra's streams.
Fat Bastard GOD1 votesGenerally I buy Abyssal Scepter against big AP casters like Veigar, Kassadin, and Viktor. It provides a giant amount of MR and some pretty darn good AP. It's only best purchased if your team is mainly AP, and make sure that only one person on your team has it in these scenarios, as the AoE MR reduction can't stack.
Penguin Eclipse1 votesIt's really not a good first item in most cases. No mana. No CDR. Sure it is a good item. I've been building it for years. But never once first.
taleofsonata1 votes[{quoted}](name=Penguin Eclipse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ARiQcY0U,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-16T16:49:18.669+0000)
It's really not a good first item in most cases. No mana. No CDR. Sure it is a good item. I've been building it for years. But never once first.
Ok Let me show you this.
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biobirbbyy1 votesI almost never since AS anymore, huh.
