With Riven suddenly being a Topic today, let me add my own 2 cents I Guess

Eternal Torment··4 votes·373 views

Aight, so suddenly today I see an unusual amount of Riven complains, which I Personally fail to understand for a variety of reasons. Look, sometimes we lose to a Riven, that is good and all, but if you lose to a Riven it is the same feeling as Losing to a GP because Riven takes a huge amount of both champion Knowledge and game Knowledge on performing successful.

Let me Quote my own words I Used to respond to someone else.

Riven can be a pain to deal with. HOWEVER, consider that riven may be one of the hardest Skill capped champions in the game. For her to be obnoxious you Need to be really good at her. As to why this is so, i will explain here, with the same Facts i post every time:

  • She is a snowball reliant champion who you Need to bully with hard, but at the same time she has the weakest lvl 1 - 3 stats next to Sona.

  • She has 100% only flat numbers in her kit and is probably the only toplaner next to jayce who Needs to Build full ad in order to do well.

  • She has only one defensive spell which serves as a temporary shield and a displacement, the shield is only 1 second long and she dashes around 250 or 300 Units. (yasuo E dashes about 500 Units)

  • Her damage Comes mostly from her Auto attacks, empowered by her passive. meaning she is Kind of a melee lucian, she is gonna faceroll and brawl you like a tryhard to successfully proc her damage.

  • counting in all her 4 skills, flash and stormraiders as the mastery, she possesses over 20 different combos and resets which ALL Need to be mastered if you want to be a pro riven Player. about half of them you Need to know, including the Flash-3rd Q-W-Hydra reset. Why the specific combo, i will explain in the next point

  • You Need to know how to set up your kills and how to engage. Riven has insane mobility, but mind me only 1 out of her 4 dashes can go over walls, and only over thin ones too. the thickest wall she can jump over from is the 2 sidewalls from bird camp. Meaning you Need to really know how to engage and initiate if you want anything positive to happen

  • Additional Edited Info which I forgot to add: Riven has Zero sustain and no stat boosts at all. Meaning she suffers heavily under the current meta we have being a Leech vs Grievious wounds tank meta. If you Build lifesteal, people will stack a thornail with armor to Counter her. If you Build lethality, people will go with a Frozen heart and a Randuins. Riven being played well is all the more difficult in tank metas like this one.

Riven is one of the only, if not THE only champion whos performance is 100% defined by how a Player performs. she is absolutely brutal and unforgiving to noobs, and stupidly rewarding for pros. BUT to get there, to be amongs those pros you have the possibly hardest and longest journey before you in all of the league champions.

That riven Players are seen as Hitler-worshipping satanics by the community does by all means not help either. riven Players receive an unusual amount of toxicity, making their rewards feel meh and their mistakes weight on them all the more. so picking her up is also a mental challenge due to how badly a place she owns in the communities mindset.

Long story short, when you get wrecked by a riven, try to remember just how much that Person had to endure to be able to wreck anything with a riven to begin with. When i get bent over and beta-placed by a riven, i just shrug and think to myself "well that happened" because i have to respect the fact that this guy lived hell to be good on her.

Having said all of that, repeadedly, People really Need to be a bit easier on her. Riven is Trouble for the mind, i do not deny that. But she is the only one who makes peoples faces go red in tilt from sheer Skill alone. She is the one champion you cannot call a noob champ because it is the utilization of her Kit as a whole that makes her strong. If you change from a Malza main to a Riven main you will by garuantee take a whole month or even 2 months of consecutive daily playing for HOURS to be good enough with riven to not lose a lane vs any sustain toplane (and renekton).

So I Kindly ask people to be more considerate of Riven Players.

Edit: the Quoting fucked up so i had to rearrange my post a bit. incase anyone wonders about the design changes of my post.

12 Comments

420 grams1 votes

I don't think her being hard to learn should be an excuse to have more potential than others. Fiora was nerfed, vayne was nerfed, draven is getting nerfed, Lee sin was nerfed.....

All of these high skill champions get nerfed because they have potential to out play, so why should Riven be different?

Eternal Torment1 votes

Because unlike the others Riven can be dealt with. She is not out of control like Draven is now and like Lee sin was 3 months ago.

Riven has always been in a stable position and people always find ways to pull her off successfully. But even when she goes 12/0 she can be caught out, shut down and negated any further usefulness. Draven can't be dealt with once he gets ahead.

I Specify my arguments on draven now because of your 4 listed examples he is the newest one to be nerfed. Draven can go 0/10, if he gets one kill with about 100 stacks or so, he gets enough gold to bust himself out of the boost like prison break. Riven can't do that.

Additionally, draven can potentially spam a movement speed Steroid and possesses a mass displacement and slow. While riven has a knock up and a stun, none of those slow, both CC only hold for 1 second each, and their AoE range is decently small And unlike draven, riven Needs to choose whether she engages or retreats. draven can literally do both, him being a ranged champ and all.

those champs are too different to be compared on a basis, but those examples should suffice to give you a hopefully easier time understanding why Draven is a Problem and why riven is not.

420 grams1 votes

I disagree because a draven who's 10 kills behind getting a 250 gold boost isn't enough the change the game. It doesn't even buy him boots.

Draven is Telegraphed and very squishy, and loses all of his damage when an axe is dropped. He can spam w to make him jog his next 2 steps, but spamming it will drain your mana, something riven has no need to worry about. Draven is built to be offensive, whereas riven can do both. She also can be doing bad and get a few items she needs, then one shot any squishy with ease from her mass amounts of mobility. Dravens only cc is his e, which isn't as strong as you make it seem. Definitely not as strong as a stun that lasts long enough to chain a knock up.

Hopefully this helps you understand why riven isn't so super hard that she should be immune to balance changes.

Eternal Torment1 votes

250 gold, plus a kill's worth of gold, that is 550 gold. with 100 stacks. dravens who want a comeback will aim for at least 150 stacks thoe, making it well over 600 gold with 1 kill, which would be worth 2 kills. assuming it is a regular kill and not shut down gold, which would be up to 500 depending on the streak. 300 + 500 thats 800 gold. and 800 gold on a draven is veeeery well enough to get him back to the game.

And such is also a reason why his passive is getting a nerf. the punishment for stack loss is increased and the base gold he gets is reduced by literally half, 25 instead of 50.

And riven is incredibly difficult, honestly. watch a bronze riven Player, then immediately afterwards watch exil or boxbox. if the sheer amount of differences doesn't hurt your eyes, then i dunno what can be done here.

xXRaichopXx1 votes

RIP

The guy that was flaming you got his post deleted/he couldn't take the comments so he deleted it.

LUL

WorryWolfy1 votes

I don't know about any riven complaint threads.

xXRaichopXx1 votes

It was deleted.

WorryWolfy1 votes

Suspiciously convenient.

xXRaichopXx1 votes

He was literally flaming everyone in the comments and on his post.

Not very surprising at all...

Marshbouy2 votes

there are a few here and there. Generally made by people who got shit on by a riven. She'll never really go away because her kit is so annoying and snowbally, but she comes up less often now.

WorryWolfy1 votes

It is not common to think that Riven is too strong, or too oppressive. More common is the belief that she needs sizable buffs to compete with other champions, especially in league of tanks/ support items. She is not a particularly difficult champion but she is an objectively weak one. If you want to be considerate to riven players advocate big buffs.

Bańg1 votes

lol at the idiots complaining about riven especially in this tank /support meta making it nearly impossible to be useful unless ur super fed

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