Remove Post Game Honor Screen

Shuyin178·Aug 1, 2017·3 votes·951 views

I am very annoyed that we can't honor our teammates AFTER we've looked at how well they did that match. I'm not looking at my team's score the entire game, so when the honor screen pops up I'm like "Well there was this one play this person did. honors" when I'd rather look at their KDA, damage delt, and other things in the statistics BEFORE I decide who gets it.

For those of you like "Well what about the support? This doesn't seem fair to them like that." I always look at what a support does during the match. How good of vision did we have during the game? Where they doing their job on their support champion? Did they contribute enough to the match? If they did these things then I'd honor them instead of the high damage ADC that went like 15-3-6 because it means that support did what they could to help our ADC and the rest of our team.

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HeeroTXAug 1, 201710 votes

Right now, the honor options are: -Tilt-proof -Shot-caller -Team player

ALL of those are player BEHAVIOR, not stats. I admit, I find it highly UNLIKELY but it's entirely POSSIBLE you could have a teammate whose mechanics suck but game knowledge is amazing, and therefore has a scoreline like 1/8 but he's a great shot-caller. (heck, you could have that K/D line on any support anyway) You could have a 20-2-9 statline while still being a jerk.

Honor should be about "do I LIKE playing with you", if your single criteria for that is "are you 'effective' no matter your attitude", then you should STILL know who on your team is effective. If you can't tell who is effective from the flow of play and just keeping an eye on what you SHOULD be keeping an eye on, then work on yourself and your abilities.
-If X laner on your team is always in the middle of good plays for your team, then they're a solid performer -If Y laner for THEIR team is weak (but not afk) then that laner on your team was probably strong or you have a great roamer (and it shouldn't be tough at all to identify the latter), at WORST your laner was good enough to not feed a terrible player/troll

Once you get out of lane phase, it shouldn't be hard to determine if someone "padded stats" against a weak opponent in lane, or played well, because they'll be against others now. The one exception being dealing with an uber-fed opponent, in which case you can easily tell who "sucked" on your team, so process of elimination will tell you who's... "not bad".

Straight up, if your ONLY metric is "effectiveness", then stats are irrelevant. You should ALWAYS notice a player that's really strong (or really weak), if you don't, then no one on your team deserves it under your standard. If you can't tell who's effective without looking at postgame stats, then work on yourself before worrying about how to gauge honor awards, because if you can't tell who to help or rally behind on your team and who to AVOID on their team, then YOU are a liability.

DrCyanideAug 1, 20174 votes

Honor isn't Champion Mastery. They'll get an S if their KDA, Damage, and Warding was good. You're being asked what their personality was like. You don't need stats to see that.

Shuyin178Aug 1, 20172 votes

I'm not going to honor some random based on "personality". This is a video game involving killing, not an awards banquette for school spirit.

Pie CubedAug 1, 20175 votes

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I'm not going to honor some random based on "personality". This is a video game involving killing, not an awards banquette for school spirit.

Then don't honour anybody. Honour is for sportsmanship, their behavioural qualities, them as a person. What don't people get about it?

Very Hard EngageAug 1, 20172 votes

this is true however the opportunity to do so should be there. what if i go "hey this thresh and this nocturne were both pretty great, but idk who i should give the honor too, lets see if i can get some additional information on who may have performed better"

now i know, stats aint everything, and the other dude may have just played poorly.

but because i cant give honor to both players and im forced to choose i need as much information as i can get before i make an important decision like this.

there are ties, and there are times where id rather reward the person who warded more or just did more and had more involvement on the game overall showing this guy tried very hard.

not just the nocturne who goes 3-0-2 with an S+ and a ton of the top laners farm, compared to the thresh who was 2-6-30 who goes unranked by the system. but they were both positive team mates overall and the system is forcing me to choose.

Shuyin178Aug 1, 20171 votes

This guy knows what's up.

LimmieAug 1, 20173 votes

Just pick the first one that comes to mind, that will probably be the one that impacted the most. And even if they aren't, it's really no big deal. A single honor point more or one honor point less isn't going to make a difference to anyone either way.

I mean, chill out dude. You're giving somebody a pat on the back, not your daughter's hand in marriage.

Very Hard EngageAug 1, 20171 votes

there are now rewards associated with it so its no longer a pat on the back.

flairs and loading screen boarder changes.

LimmieAug 1, 20172 votes

The impact of a single honor point is negligible. Everyone who deserves it will get the same rewards eventually, it's not gonna be your one honor point that's gonna change things either way.

Very Hard EngageAug 1, 20171 votes

you can literally count the honor "famous adc streamer here" gets at the end of every game. its not much at all. the majority of them dont even waste their time choosing someone, they just requeue.

"congrats you've reached honor level 3" when he logs in even though he hasn't been granted honor after 8 hours of sleep. yeah ok, honor totally isn't something riot hands out meaninglessly.

so yea i have reason to believe every single honor point counts for the common pleb in order to trigger something on riots end.

meaning we should all give it out with a heavy hand with as much information as we can.

LimmieAug 1, 20171 votes

Streamers spam games daily, and it adds up. Being a meh player and getting a single point for 4 games is the same as being super honorable and getting 4 points on a single game. Plus if they just requeue right away it's possible they're leaving before everyone cast their votes, and so they're actually getting more points than it's shown.

Also the system was deliberately designed so that everyone who isn't actually toxic and gets punished will get the same rewards eventually, the only difference being how quickly that happens.

The system was intended to reward behavior, not performance, and while you're free to chose to reward performance instead, most people won't, and they definitely won't be researching the match stats beforehand. They'll vote for whoever they liked most and that's it. So either way, your personal impact on it will still be a drop in the bucket.

Very Hard EngageAug 1, 20171 votes

riot even stated that honor points accelerate the process, who knows if its additive or multiplicative or even logarithmic, the fact is we dont know so we have to assume the worst and that they shave weeks off of the casual grind, making them heavily influencial.

riot did say even if you dont get any in the post game you still climb the honor ladder anyway, but i've been playing 1 or 2 games a day and i haven't gotten honor level 3. in 15 games ive gotten 3 or 4 solo honors when no one seems to hand out any at all, no leaf and no "everyone honored heres a little extra for all of you" messages.

so once again, the system is rigged regardless if you're actually nice or not. (i did have 1 support thresh game where i got 4 and i got the leaf).

id like to see what happens if T1 made a smurf and tried to exploit honor, now that would be qualitative.

The Sword SaintAug 3, 20171 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115008474148-Honor-FAQ

If I get no Honors, do I still level up?

You will, just a little more slowly than those who rack them up like crazy.

So yes getting honored helps, but its not a large impact and with no honors you'd still get leveled up 'just a little more slowly' than those who 'rack them up like crazy'.

The real value of post game honor isn't grinding level, its that you only get the loading screen flair in your matches if you've been honored in your most recent previous match.

The Sword SaintAug 1, 20174 votes

Honor is about recognizing a players personality and teamwork, not the performance.

/thread

RookPusherAug 1, 20171 votes

This, if youv'e got that many good players on your team, stop crying. But for me, it's clear who I should honor after thinking about it for 10 seconds.

AfterTheFallAug 1, 20173 votes

Its an HONOR system. Not a who played the best with the best stats on the team system. Its designed to HONOR people for being a great teammate or person to play with. YOU are the on who's using it wrong, not the system or everyone else lol If you want to use it differently then thats on you, its not a design flaw, its you using it for the wrong reasons flaw.

SEKAIAug 1, 20171 votes

I've seen a lot of supports getting 3+ honours, maybe more than damage carries in a good match anyway so I can't see there being a problem atm. People seem to know where the honours should go to for the most part.

To analysis who gets honoured by who, it's easy to break it down the general pattern.

Bot are more likely to honour each other or the jg, top is probably more likely to honour the mid or jg (whoever ganks top more), mid is more likely to honour both top, jungle or bot (whoever ganks mid more), and jg usually just honour whoever they think is the most chill.

So with distributions like this (just as a general analysis), there shouldn't be a sharp shortage on who is receiving the honour or otherwise. I would say the distribution is quite equal, if anything, it's not as favoured and skewed towards the one with pentakills, as people are more likely to doubt their performance and attribute them to supportive positions such as the initiator or backline support. For someone to actually carry and get all the honours, they usually have to carry PRETTY HARD for that to happen, as expected.

So tbh, I don't think this problem you're thinking exists.