Hiemerdinger's turrets are more useful than the ones you get on the map on SR.

warpenguin555·Feb 29, 2016·210 votes·5,864 views

Can we please fix that? Turrets really don't do anything that great 20 minutes in and might as well just be big minions now

96 Comments

morris1Feb 29, 201650 votes

What do Heimer's turrets have more than real turrets? Scaling.

SpoofghoulFeb 29, 20163 votes

They have UPGRADE!

No seriously upgrade as a summoner would be awesome, make a tower deal splash damage and shoot a laser every now and then whils giving it 50% damage immunity and and have it regenerate 15% of its missing health over the duration

could last like 10 seconds every 3th shot is a laser with after shock

Cooldown 3 minutes

Bob7010Feb 29, 20169 votes

They had something like that. It was called fortify and garrison.{{summoner:17}} I don't think many people would take that, and this is coming from a guy who used to take {{summoner:2}}

JonxxFeb 29, 20168 votes

Ahh, S2 when CV was meta on supports <3

Bob7010Feb 29, 201611 votes

I used it on all kinds of roles, up until it was removed. Karthus : I don't trust you made them low enough.{{summoner:2}}

Hedgehog HustlerFeb 29, 20162 votes

But clairvoyance was actually a good spell-well, it was before blue trinket existed (both new one and old one) and even then was still global compared to the trinket's range, good for global ults and such

LlaniteFeb 29, 20163 votes

The real turret has more dmg, believe it or not.

The only advantage the dongers have are move-ability.

Festive BearMar 1, 20164 votes

But donger's have scaling. Real turrets become sticks of butter shooting plastic pellets at late game. Donger's turrets become 3 legged hyper cannons late game

LlaniteMar 2, 20161 votes

The donger will never reach the dmg of a real turret, does not matter how much scaling they have. The only exception being all 3 of them at the same place which die in one AOE, or a super donger who only lasts 5s (mostly 1-2s due to smite)

Rew711Mar 1, 20162 votes

If I could ask for anything to be given to turrets, it would be that the first turret have its usual health, the next one has an extra 50% health than the last and 20% more damage, and the one in front of the inhibitor has 100% more health than the last and 50% more damage than it had. And then the laser shooters basically send out 200 damage a second, pretty much zapping minions away, meaning that baron minions can be killed easier when it can get up to 600 damage a second. Champions that get the dragon buffs will have the advantage but still take lots of damage and have a hard time killing the turrets.

So if the first turret has 4000 health and deals 150 damage per cast, the second turret will have 6000 health and deal 180 damage per cast, and the inhibitor turret will have 12000 (or 8000) health and deal 225 damage. Damage to the same target scales up the damage up to 4 times by 25%. So the first turret can deal up to 300, the second up to 360, and the last up to 450 per cast.

It will be so OP, people will have to be careful when going in for kills under turrets.

KyroRayneMar 2, 20161 votes

They also have a secondary AoE line attack that towers should have

Mechanized HulkFeb 29, 201635 votes

Sadly this thread is completely true.

Mecha MaIphiteFeb 29, 20164 votes

Except it isn't. While I do agree that turrets are too easy to knock down, comparing them to Heimer turrets is like comparing minions to champions. Heimer turrets are better in the sense that they are replenishable and can be moved around, but only his ultimate turret can truly exceed a real turret in terms of damage. Even three of the small turrets can be cleared with a single ability.

AninLegions777Feb 29, 20161 votes

Uhmmm, what single ability is that?

Mecha MaIphiteFeb 29, 20162 votes

Any AoE damaging ability like Talon W or Malzahar Q. Even an ADC can clear them out quickly with just autos.

AninLegions777Mar 2, 20161 votes

Talon's W can't. Check it yourself.

Supreme Senpai69Feb 29, 20163 votes

Lux's E, LeBlanc's W, Anivia's Q/R, Ahri's Q. A lot of mid champions can destroy Heimer's turrets instantly

SociopathFriendMar 1, 20165 votes

As someone who somewhat plays Lux I call BS on being able to oneshot his turrets like that until well into lategame.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 1, 20162 votes

Should i add the word 'almost' in front of instantly? I didn't mean it literally, just that there are several champions that can take out Heimer's turrets very easily.

KynamiMar 1, 20161 votes

Don't even have to kill them... Sion & Syndra get to either punt them elsewhere or even use them as an attack on the donger.

ahferroin7Mar 1, 20161 votes

And if you're Nunu or Chogath , they're just a tasty meal...

SociopathFriendMar 1, 20162 votes

These are the boards son- land of downvotes and nitpicking- best be careful.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 2, 20161 votes

Oh. Thanks, Dad.

Vistha KaiFeb 29, 201618 votes

I wish towers did anything 5 minutes in.

20 minutes in they are an echo of times long past.

PePsiLemoNNFeb 29, 201613 votes

Hiemerdinger's deactivated turrets are more useful than the ones you get on the map on SR.

ftfy

FastAsHeckMar 1, 20163 votes

at least they block skillshots

JasiwelFeb 29, 201612 votes

I think turrets' Damage or DPS should scale over time. There reaches a point where they just don't do jack shit and a single wave of super minions can collapse your Nexus Turrets...

Festive BearMar 1, 20162 votes

Add scaling damage and fire rate, slowly increasing defenses and regeneration. Then you'll be forced to really push towers early game so then late game they don't begin to become monsters.

JasiwelMar 1, 20161 votes

We just need to be careful and plausible for the changes. Riot clearly wants turrets to be only relevant in the first 20 minutes of the game - otherwise, they fear games will drag on too long and people will resort to "who sieges better" fights. For this reason, I am not exactly certain if their defensive stats should see buffs.

I suggested a DPS increase over time, though, because it seems like Turrets are attacking slow-motion at the 15 minute mark. They are so damn slow and diving your target is easier this season than it was last season. Most of the time, you're already dead and the turret has just finished blasting away that one minion as your opponent escapes.

I also think it could be interesting to at least test a Turret variant for Inhibitor turrets where it fires both volleys and shoots lasers. Inhibitor turrets are the most laughable ones in the game and increasing their DPS wouldn't solve much given they are already DPS-based turrets. Nexus turrets could also have the same capabilities, but deal AoE damage.

ZT XperimentorMar 2, 20161 votes

And riot can shove it up their nostrils; this isn't call of duty. However I agree that turrets need some kind of significant buff.

Festive BearMar 7, 20161 votes

T1 turrets are fine from what i think, they just need higher damage and attack speed higher levels. At later levels you can take out a turret with 1 minion wave, maybe even push to 2 and damage the 3rd. So turrets really need to be able to handle this kinds of things. Maybe after 15-20 minutes, t2 turrets gain the ability to shoot at 2 targets. So 2 minions or 2 champions. Inhib turrets will be able to shoot at 3 targets with their concentrating lazer. Late game, their lazer will do AOE damage depending on how concentrated the lazer is on the target. And nexus turrets should be able to target 5 things at once with the same effects as inhib turrets.

So, t1 turrets, scaling AD and attack speed. T2 turrets, ability to target and shoot at 2 things at once. Inhibitor turrets, after some time, gain ability to fire at up to 3 different targets at once, the lazers deal AOE damage around the target based on how concentrated the blast is Nexus turrets, same thing as inhib turrets just they can fire at up to 5 targets at once.

forrestoMar 1, 20162 votes

late game, even squishy champs can dive turrets for a few seconds. I've seen it, I've done it. 0.0

Reggie4444Feb 29, 20169 votes

i like the idea of massive really irate minions who throw stuff at you until they die replace towers

roit! make this a thing

Aatrox DajarFeb 29, 20162 votes

right? league could have ridiculously more minions, but that takes the focus away from the gameplay I assume

that little minion buff game we had not too long ago was interesting tho, a game mode that coulda potentially changed the way we play league by giving us options to our brothers as well.

Reggie4444Feb 29, 20161 votes

i mean replace towrs with these minions

it was a joke anyway

RetillinFeb 29, 20162 votes

But... aren't towers already coded as minions...?

nami tfFeb 29, 20161 votes

no, or else Tahm Kench can eat them

My Waifu VanillaFeb 29, 20161 votes

But Tahm Kench can't eat Jarvan's Cataclysm :(

nami tfFeb 29, 20161 votes

It's not a minion though.

RetillinFeb 29, 20161 votes

It is. So is Jayce's hyper charge line. Anivia's wall. Ect. It was all coded as minions when Riot first started.

nami tfFeb 29, 20161 votes

That's weird. Must be different types of minions because for example, Tahm Kench can't eat the buffs, dragon, or baron, but can eat any of Mordekaiser's pets, along with Annie's bear and Heimerdinger's turrets. He can't eat Yorick's gouls for some reason.

JobriqMar 1, 20161 votes

He can eat Tibbers and then run at his allies to burn them with Tibbers aura TahmKench is helping. He can eat Yorick's ghouls but they disappear after 5 seconds so he might not be able to spit them back out

VelasanFeb 29, 20163 votes

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i like the idea of massive really irate minions who throw stuff at you until they die replace towers

roit! make this a thing

Wait.. towers aren't actually big minions? At this point I just assumed they were.

CubedJusticeMar 2, 20163 votes

They're probably coded as them.

MLDzXnRRRFeb 29, 20164 votes

What do you want towers to do? You have to defend them.

Remlap1223Feb 29, 201631 votes

There's a difference between defending towers and being forced to play full AP Janna because you don't want your tower falling within the first eight minutes.

CanidaeFeb 29, 20165 votes

Or adcs could take the role more seriously and know how to manage mana, push and freeze waves, and not be 100% reliant on the support for lane presence. That and knowing when to back so that the tower doesn't take serious dmg before any lane fights even break out.

SakaruFeb 29, 201616 votes

Because any of that has to do with the point he was making about full AP Janna having the only scaling a turret can get (Her shield that can effect turrets).

Point is, turrets need to scale. Even after say.. 5 minutes they're a joke.

ForeverLaxxFeb 29, 20167 votes

When you can't leave the tower to buy without losing your tower to the enemy unless you take Teleport, then there's a problem with towers. You can't stand by the "protect your towers" mantra when you can't buy items in the lane, which would actually let you protect your towers. If Riot insists on keeping towers' defensive properties of paper, then maybe they should add a way to buy and be delivered items while in the lane. Perhaps with some sort of courier...