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“Tanks deal too much damage” but...

After3perma··16 votes·3,806 views

Juggernauts and Bruisers are allowed to have the same tankiness and deal assassin level damage. That is fine according to the community.

Lets keep continuing about how weak bruisers are shall we?

Irelia, Jax, Yasuo, Darius and others being broken are caused by the community crying so Rito released overpowered Conqueror to stop you crying.

Bruisers had no problem killing tanks before Conqueror, but it took some time but so what? Let a full tank that spends all his gold on expensive tank items survive for at least 6 to 7 seconds and not die in 2 seconds while having no threat late game.

Notice something? Community complains about Assassins being too weak, lets buff Lethality, now the community complains. Community complains about ADCs being unplayable in S7/S8, so they all get buffed while their items also get buffed and Rito release the joke item Stormrazor into the game. Community complains about Junglers being overpowered, so they change scuttle crab and make it harder for junglers throughout the game. Now the community complains.

30 Comments

Woodakoodashooda15 votes

You over simplify the genuine concerns and complaints of players, you generalize the community as being one voice and of one mind, and your entire post is one massive complaint about...well...complaining.

Shit post is shit.

Eedat2 votes

Implying gameplay isn't actually a hivemind. I've seen you alone make this post at least 4 or 5 times already which kinda proves the point that it isn't different people.

Anywho, to actually answer the OP bruisers were trash at the time, got buffed, aren't trash anymore, tanks got nerfed, and nobody really claims bruisers are weak now.

Moody P8 votes

a juggernaut doesn't stun-lock you by themselves for anywhere between 2-4 seconds and their damage is almost always more backloaded or DPS than a tank who burst-combos you

a juggernaut actually buys their damage almost every time instead of getting to run full tank.

Darius and Yasuo aren't even OP, let alone broken

A solid 70% of bruisers and fighters were absolute trash before Conqueror came out, or are we just going to revise history and pretend that the point in time where top lane was exclusively Maokai, Ornn, Cho'Gath with the small handful of Klepto fighters who could just opt out of trading with them ever didn't happen

"muh community"

D357R0Y3R3 votes

hm, Yasuo is a bruiser now

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Everything is a bruiser if you have faith. Like ryze, swain, heimer, vlad bot this season.

Midg3t1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AJRVjGhU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-11-19T13:14:56.348+0000)

a juggernaut doesn't stun-lock you by themselves for anywhere between 2-4 seconds and their damage is almost always more backloaded or DPS than a tank who burst-combos you

Show me an example where tank bursts (except sion) you while being equal with him in terms of items. And if stun-lock is an issue for you then what should tanks do in fights in you opinion? Just stand there lookin pretty?

a juggernaut actually buys their damage almost every time instead of getting to run full tank.

Poor juggs, they need to buy 1 dmg item and then can go full tank xD

Darius and Yasuo aren't even OP, let alone broken

Neither are tanks and yet here you are, complaining about them.

A solid 70% of bruisers and fighters were absolute trash before Conqueror came out, or are we just going to revise history and pretend that the point in time where top lane was exclusively Maokai, Ornn, Cho'Gath with the small handful of Klepto fighters who could just opt out of trading with them ever didn't happen

So because of that tanks deserve to be garbage now? lmao

Moody P2 votes

Show me an example where tank bursts (except sion) you while being equal with him in terms of items. And if stun-lock is an issue for you then what should tanks do in fights in you opinion? Just stand there lookin pretty?

"i should be able to stunlock AND do big damage!!!"

every tank does their damage in bursts - even the old ones who have spells that allow them to DPS open up on you with a combo except for Rammus.

Poor juggs, they need to buy 1 dmg item and then can go full tank xD

most juggernauts are buying 2 damage items

Neither are tanks and yet here you are, complaining about them.

why are you lying about the post you just responded to?

So because of that tanks deserve to be garbage now? lmao

most tanks are fine and the ones that aren't are lined up for changes

Midg3t1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AJRVjGhU,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2018-11-19T13:49:20.041+0000)

"i should be able to stunlock AND do big damage!!!"

every tank does their damage in bursts - even the old ones who have spells that allow them to DPS open up on you with a combo except for Rammus.

Again, proof?

most juggernauts are buying 2 damage items

Ohh the shocker.

why are you lying about the post you just responded to?

I'm responding to you, not to OP

most tanks are fine and the ones that aren't are lined up for changes

https://u.gg/lol/tier-list/?role=top&rank=diamond_plus

Yea I can tell xD

ankoanko191 votes

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Again, proof?

Ohh the shocker.

I'm responding to you, not to OP

https://u.gg/lol/tier-list/?role=top&rank=diamond_plus

Yea I can tell xD

According to your graph Irelia & Akali are also shitty picks.

Midg3t1 votes

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According to your graph Irelia & Akali are also shitty picks.

And? I only wanted to show him that only 1 tank is actually strong and 1-3 are barely breaching 50% wr (thanks to mains). I didn't look on other sites tho, but I don't think it's much different tbh.

ankoanko191 votes

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And? I only wanted to show him that only 1 tank is actually strong and 1-3 are barely breaching 50% wr (thanks to mains). I didn't look on other sites tho, but I don't think it's much different tbh.

Quite a difference actually if you compare it to lolalytics. What do you mean by " and?" winrates dont indicate how strong a champ is for 90% of the time, Irelia has a 49% wr, but im pretty sure that champ is op af.

DeejayF1 votes

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Show me an example where tank bursts (except sion) you while being equal with him in terms of items. And if stun-lock is an issue for you then what should tanks do in fights in you opinion? Just stand there lookin pretty?

Poor juggs, they need to buy 1 dmg item and then can go full tank xD

Neither are tanks and yet here you are, complaining about them.

So because of that tanks deserve to be garbage now? lmao

Okay I'm relatively late to the party but please explain me why on earth it should be okay for a tank to not buy a single damage item yet manage to one shot a squishy adc or even mage while a champ that mostly builds damage such as carries or bruisers to deal like 30 to 50 percent damage to their health bars. Like if a tank gets an ultimate that swallows you whole and deals true damage and is somehow balanced then tell me how. If you dedicate your entire item build path to tankiness then you by no means should be able to deal 900 or 1k damage to an adc or mage when you are on top of them it simply feels like a kick in the nuts to see something that has no damage in his build to burn you alive and drag you through the dirt. Obviously this is a bit of an exaggeration but it will simply not add up in my mind why tanks are supposed to have damage in their kit. Tanks usually have a good way of engaging a fight while most adcs are forced to kite it out. I would really appreciate a nice response to kind of show me your side of all of this

Ralanr2 votes

  1. Tanks can’t one shot a squishy in a full rotation unless they are supremely ahead or the squishy is supremely behind.

  2. Squishies are squishy because anyone can harm them, thus forcing them to kite around opponents more. If squishies couldn’t be hurt by a class, they wouldn’t be squishy.

DeejayF1 votes

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  1. Tanks can’t one shot a squishy in a full rotation unless they are supremely ahead or the squishy is supremely behind.

  2. Squishies are squishy because anyone can harm them, thus forcing them to kite around opponents more. If squishies couldn’t be hurt by a class, they wouldn’t be squishy.

if a tank can't harm a squishy champ that would actually seem pretty logical to me they don't be any damage so I shouldn't be just absolutely stomped by something this tanky at least that's my opinion about tanks seriously man. It feels really oof ~

Ralanr1 votes

If it was a pve game, you’d have a point. But it isn’t.

And imo it isn’t logical actually. If a squishy person wasn’t even at threat of dying to a tank, then they aren’t really squishy at all.

DeejayF1 votes

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If it was a pve game, you’d have a point. But it isn’t.

And imo it isn’t logical actually. If a squishy person wasn’t even at threat of dying to a tank, then they aren’t really squishy at all.

It just seems so illogical to me. Call me racist against tanks or whatever but I view tank as things that are there to soak up damage and be a distraction, supporting their team in taking the hits. That's how I've always viewed a tank. And I am just always upset when I see tanks like Cho Gath and Maplhite going full ap and it works since their ap ratios are too good for tank

Ralanr1 votes

That’s because durability is a shit distraction.

DeejayF1 votes

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if a tank can't harm a squishy champ that would actually seem pretty logical to me they don't be any damage so I shouldn't be just absolutely stomped by something this tanky at least that's my opinion about tanks seriously man. It feels really oof ~

Agreed

Midg3t1 votes

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Okay I'm relatively late to the party but please explain me why on earth it should be okay for a tank to not buy a single damage item yet manage to one shot a squishy adc or even mage while a champ that mostly builds damage such as carries or bruisers to deal like 30 to 50 percent damage to their health bars. Like if a tank gets an ultimate that swallows you whole and deals true damage and is somehow balanced then tell me how. If you dedicate your entire item build path to tankiness then you by no means should be able to deal 900 or 1k damage to an adc or mage when you are on top of them it simply feels like a kick in the nuts to see something that has no damage in his build to burn you alive and drag you through the dirt. Obviously this is a bit of an exaggeration but it will simply not add up in my mind why tanks are supposed to have damage in their kit. Tanks usually have a good way of engaging a fight while most adcs are forced to kite it out. I would really appreciate a nice response to kind of show me your side of all of this

I never said tanks should "oneshot" some1, but they should have some damage. Without it, how do you expect them to trade in the lane? By your logic, if I take let's say shen into darius, and I, as a tank, shouldn't deal any damage, what the fuck should I do in lane? Last hit under my tower? While Darius is just standing there bullying me out of my lane while I'm not being able to do jack shit.

It's not that hard to see why tanks need dmg. But they don't need TOO MUCH dmg, I agree on that.

And if tank manages to get to an adc or mage and throw everything on them, yes, they should be able to chunk a big portion of their HP, just like any other champion would do, and should do.

DeejayF1 votes

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I never said tanks should "oneshot" some1, but they should have some damage. Without it, how do you expect them to trade in the lane? By your logic, if I take let's say shen into darius, and I, as a tank, shouldn't deal any damage, what the fuck should I do in lane? Last hit under my tower? While Darius is just standing there bullying me out of my lane while I'm not being able to do jack shit.

It's not that hard to see why tanks need dmg. But they don't need TOO MUCH dmg, I agree on that.

And if tank manages to get to an adc or mage and throw everything on them, yes, they should be able to chunk a big portion of their HP, just like any other champion would do, and should do.

but that's where I am like "what?" that's not the job of the tank to deal damage to the carries. And why is it so bad if tanks have to stand under turret until they get items aren't they supposed to be late game champs?

Midg3t1 votes

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but that's where I am like "what?" that's not the job of the tank to deal damage to the carries. And why is it so bad if tanks have to stand under turret until they get items aren't they supposed to be late game champs?

Tell me, would you like to spend 30 minutes farming under you own tower, just so you can...cc people? At that point nobody would play tanks on top, cuz who the fuck wants to be enemy top's bitch for 20+ minutes? Every1 would rather play juggernauts who are just slightly less tankier than OG tanks, but they can deal damage.

Think about it- if a tank main can't deal damage to trade his enemy, then no matter how skilled the tank player is, every fucking r%%%%% can take dmg dealer and outlane the tank, simplay because tank wouldn't have the tools to defend himself against any1 with damage.

The fact is- tanks NEED some damage to be able to solo lane.

DeejayF1 votes

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Tell me, would you like to spend 30 minutes farming under you own tower, just so you can...cc people? At that point nobody would play tanks on top, cuz who the fuck wants to be enemy top's bitch for 20+ minutes? Every1 would rather play juggernauts who are just slightly less tankier than OG tanks, but they can deal damage.

Think about it- if a tank main can't deal damage to trade his enemy, then no matter how skilled the tank player is, every fucking r%%%%% can take dmg dealer and outlane the tank, simplay because tank wouldn't have the tools to defend himself against any1 with damage.

The fact is- tanks NEED some damage to be able to solo lane.

I always thought tank players were the plebs that want to support their team in soaking up damage and engaging a fight. No offense but I always thought that's why people play tanks to begin with to HELP YOUR TEAM. Because in the end of the day I think a tank carries the game by being a protective shield for his team or if they get a really good catch I'm more like "hey I dealt damage as adc but without my tank I couldn't have done that he carried me". Maybe I'm racist against tanks

SithesisLord3 votes

A solid 70% of bruisers and fighters

Same thing, different words.

were absolute trash before Conqueror came out

Boo goddamn hoo. Only 2, maybe 3 tanks were even worth picking even before Conqueror. Ornn, Sion and Maokai.

Cho'Gath is a Specialist, not a tank, so he does not count.

Even nowadays there are two tanks that are even worth picking at all. And one of them solely because top lane has been Bruiser Bullshit: Dash City Edition for patches and patches.

Unless you want to rely on the 4 braindead people on your team and pick Tahm Kench top. He still is to the top lane meta what chemotherapy is to cancer, after all.

Also, tanks are hit a lot harder by even the slightest of resistance buys because all they have is base damage. With exactly zero flat and/or % pen.

Dr Dog3 votes

adcs are taking tp because ignite got over buffed and heal got nerfed and sucks? better gut teleport and do absolutely nothing about ignite ever. its almost like they like to ignore the roots of problems and just band-aid fix shit and leave it as a problem till they MAYBE come around to dealing with it after about 2 seasons

FTGlory2 votes

Dark harvest and Conqueror should be removed lol.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Juggernauts and Bruisers are allowed to have the same tankiness and deal assassin level damage. That is fine according to the community.

juggernauts trade team utility, mobility and team engage that tanks offer for raw carry potential.

tanks and juggernauts are supposed to have different strengths. juggernauts are supposed to be tanky melee carries. so yes, that makes juggernauts dealing damage fine, while tanks shouldnt deal as much damage.

irelia and jax arent juggernauts by the way.

juggernauts are those champions: Darius Garen Mordekaiser Illaoi Nasus Volibear Udyr Trundle DrMundo Yorick etc. low mobility, low ranged melee fighters with low target access who dont have hard gap closers, or similar mobility and can only walk or run at their opponents.

emarythomp21 votes

Say it louder for the people in back!

Predatorator1 votes

Skarner says try again.

Flashes1 votes

Are you living under a rock?

Have you not seen the hundreds of posts calling for conqueror nerfs because Bruisers were so op with it?

It's finally being changed thank god.

As for assassin level damage, that's just a straight up lie.

Poske1 votes

Irelia, Jax, Yasuo, Darius and others being broken are caused by the community crying so Rito released overpowered Conqueror to stop you crying.

Irelia is weak atm Yasuo is melee ADC Jax is a bruiser somewhat strong but he was nerfed recently Doesnt matter how you perceive darius he is weak also not really a bruiser

Cammile is a bruiser OP but she was nerfed recently We just lost an old conqueror this is the dumbest time to complain about bruisers

Tanks are never supposed to one shot anything Riot just has a insane Tank idealism due to tank, until we change their perception tanks ll just be clunky immortal assassins with low target access

Boy does it feel good getting 100>0 by sejuani, Hecarim Good fking gameplay

Some tanks straight up suck tho

Other then Cho, Sion and malphite idk whats viable of course alistar in botlane..

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