Is it too late to cancel the mage update?

Malix Farwin··9 votes·874 views

So far feels like more harm then good.

17 Comments

xBushx2 votes

People are missing the best part of this Update. It makes champs and items WAY easier to balance. Mana costs will gate this power huge.

Malix Farwin3 votes

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People are missing the best part of this Update. It makes champs and items WAY easier to balance. Mana costs will gate this power huge.

so i guess that means it is okay that Mages will be crap even longer because it somehow makes balancing more easy by flooding new passives? Your statement makes no sense at all....

xBushx1 votes

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so i guess that means it is okay that Mages will be crap even longer because it somehow makes balancing more easy by flooding new passives? Your state makes no sense at all....

If this isn't the saltiest post ever that actually has no substance. You shouldn't have taken the day off highschool just to post on boards lol

Malix Farwin1 votes

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If this isn't the saltiest post ever that actually has no substance. You shouldn't have taken the day off highschool just to post on boards lol

Saltiest post? Hardly merely a response to his statement of "it allows them to make Mages more balanced" which it doesn't. Furthermore If you are looking for more detail all you had to do was scroll up i went into great detail. Third based off the insults that you have lashed at me instead of actually addressing anything ive said, you are the salty one.

xBushx1 votes

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Saltiest post? Hardly merely a response to his statement of "it allows them to make Mages more balanced" which it doesn't. Furthermore If you are looking for more detail all you had to do was scroll up i went into great detail. Third based off the insults that you have lashed at me instead of actually addressing anything ive said, you are the salty one.

HAHAHA you have provided next to no detail. Also my statements are obvious..as the changes to the passives and removal of passives. Will allow gating around Mana Costs and can actually balance Mages. (Will provide MORE detail if needed, but it shouldn't be)

Detailed or not it was far better than the two line rant that started this post.

Grow up, you clearly got defensive the first time I said anything. My first post had 0 salt applied and your FIRST rebuttal was all "whaaah whaah" Jesus your age is clearly affecting your judgement and emotions lmao.

tl;dr: You had the nerve to say ANYTHING about my comments and the detail involved only to have started this post with two sentences.

You're 12...LOL

Malix Farwin2 votes

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HAHAHA you have provided next to no detail. Also my statements are obvious..as the changes to the passives and removal of passives. Will allow gating around Mana Costs and can actually balance Mages. (Will provide MORE detail if needed, but it shouldn't be)

Detailed or not it was far better than the two line rant that started this post.

Grow up, you clearly got defensive the first time I said anything. My first post had 0 salt applied and your FIRST rebuttal was all "whaaah whaah" Jesus your age is clearly affecting your judgement and emotions lmao.

tl;dr: You had the nerve to say ANYTHING about my comments and the detail involved only to have started this post with two sentences.

You're 12...LOL

Again look at literally my third post there's the detail, your counter argument is lacking and your insults are outdated. Instead of creating a counter arguemnt you lash out at me like a child while ironically trying to call me one. I think you got butt hurt because when i question your response you had nothing to go on. There no need to insult you because my points have merits and as for you, you don't really have any to begin with. Checking your match history i can tell you do not have a deep understanding of the mages that you play which is why you do poorly with them. So you would have to forgive me if i find your opinions on the mage update skeptical especially when you cannot present a counter argument something people in the real world who want to be taken seriously do.

Icestar11862 votes

Is it too late to cancel the mage update

Yes. Any more questions?

Malix Farwin3 votes

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Yes. Any more questions?

was afraid of that.

M0b1us2 votes

It is too late. The champion changes seem interesting though, but the item changes are just disgustingly bad.

Malix Farwin2 votes

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It is too late. The champion changes seem interesting though, but the item changes are just disgustingly bad.

Some champs got some good changes i admit, some got nerfed for no reason like syndra. However the core of how well mages will do still rely on itemization. Very sad to see a Dev Team that has done so well with ADC itemization fumble so miserably with mages.

RG Velean1 votes

How so?

Lauchmelder1 votes

Assassin player most likely. The MYMU looks great.

Malix Farwin2 votes

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Assassin player most likely. The MYMU looks great.

Actually mage main but i go into a bit more detail if you want. Key issues with mages, scaling and sustain. For some champions(example veigar) it does well in addressing the scaling. Makes sustain actually worse across the board. Made some mages either too strong, harder to balance for no reason, or weaker. looking at the shiny changes without understanding them doesn't mean they are better. The funny thing is these item changes benefit AP assassins more then actual mages. To answer your question i actually main a Mage.

Malix Farwin2 votes

[{quoted}](name=RG Velean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AJN1Z5hU,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-04-20T12:57:29.377+0000)

How so?

Ill give items as an example,

Archangel's Staff, only refunds mana costs now so if you are low on mana you are SOL.

Athene's Unholy Grail, Nerfed AP + nerfed Mana regen + stupid health passive that only works if less health then mana(spoiler alert, you will almost always have more Health then mana and if you somehow have less Mana then Health you are going back).

Catalyst of Aeons, 15% mana refund for taking a hit to the face is nothing espeically considering you are already squishy as a mage with no real ability to regain health reliably, gives you 15 health for spending mana (that's nothing when you consider how many casts will oom you, may be too strong on annie if it heals her for csing with Q).

Fiendish Codex - 100 gold price increase for 5 ap...

Morellonomicon - price increase, Grievous wounds proc percentage nerfed(hard enough to even get them that low as a mage as it is especially with mage burst being nerfed), 20 AP increase and Mana recovery on kill/assist is not gonna make up for those losses. To expensive to build for what it is worth now.

Rod of Ages- AP nerf, mana nerf,

Seraph's Embrace - Probably what every mage is going to have to build now just to scale.

Zhonya's Hourglass - AP gutted, Stasis cooldown increased(literally the only reason mages build it), Will be more beneficial to go tanky AP then build this item(liadry, roa, rylai).

Is MR getting nerfed to compensate for less AP accross the board? Nope. In fact, some champions are actually taking damage nerfs (poor Syndra ). Wanna beat a mage as AD, build a Maw and done.

Hextech items are nice but you are giving up way too much just so they can exist. Its not worth it.

If you need me to go into more detail i can go over the champs being change but admittingly there are a few who may be too strong and that creates other problems.

RG Velean1 votes

But a lot of the mage updates got true damage and increased damage when combined with abilities.

Malix Farwin1 votes

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But a lot of the mage updates got true damage and increased damage when combined with abilities.

Such as? As far as i can tell its only Vel Koz.

D3m37r11 votes

It was too late the moment they announced there would be an update.

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