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"Juggernauts are so fun to play against!", said no one ever.

Braums Biceps·10/25/2015, 8:31:05 PM·6 votes·1,410 views

If one person can tell me it's fun to play against a juggernaut and it be a legit statement backed up with reasonable arguments about their gameplay, I will mystery gift you a skin.

The day The Balance Team realizes they should balanced around whether or not it's fun to play against something, rather than "Yeah this will be fun to play, but fuck the person their playing against" I think this game will start to see some reasonable balance. What is the point of playing against a Garen who, when you're starting to do well in the game, just starts doing TRUE DAMAGE to you just because? Is there at all a reason for it? Nope. Just because you were starting to do well or got ahead. Think you can kill him? Nah, he has a build in 'NOPE' button that literally just reduces all incoming damage and gives him passive armor and mr while he's shitting on your face with stupid amounts of damage just because. Sure, it's great to just run up on the ADC you just TP'd behind and face rolling an otherwise unfavorable fight. However, it is not at all fun to play against something that can get in the fight and leave at full hp the same way. You can kite and cc him all you want, but he breaks sows with his Silence, because why not?

I really feel like some champions have a "Superman Complex". They can do it all with little counterplay to it. Garen is the perfect example for all of this really, since he's kind of the head juggernaut I assume. He gets in. Does silly amounts of true damage to a target in a pretty decent aoe along side a probable Sunfire Cape. That target is likely dead or very close so R another target for an eay double. You want peel from your support? Too bad their Silenced for 5 years because I have a big sword? Yeah, big sword = silence. Or if none of that happen and you just went in like an idiot. DON'T WORRY! Low cds and no resource bar = happy days for you friend. Make sure you push the "I don't want to take damage right now button" before going in or running away with Q. You wouldn't want to die or anything would you? It's not like tanks need that kind of mentality. Alright, but now that the fight is almost over and you've sat back with warmog and your passive ticking, oh and let's not forget the Spirit you probably bought too, go back in and clean up. Everyone else is OOM and can't fuck back anyways. Easy. Don't even get me started on Udyr...

I honestly feel like this is the process the team behind Juggernauts went through. "None of these champs are in a particularly bad spot with the exception of Fiora I guess... Let's buffs them to 100% Pick or Ban Rate levels of play. Yeah, people will love that. What's bot lane?"

24 Comments

Slamurai Jack10/25/2015, 10:15:14 PM5 votes

You guys whined about mobility creep forever and here is Riot's answer. And it's a damn good one.

Big Lincoln10/25/2015, 10:53:33 PM4 votes

"Mages are so fun to play against"

"ADCs are so fun to play against"

"Assassins are so fun to play against"

"Melee carries are so fun to play against"

"Mobile champions are so fun to play against"

"Bruisers are so fun to play against"

"Tanks are so fun to play against"

when does the cryfest end?

love that you complain about Garen's "5 years silence" when it got nerfed with his update, too

LadyRenly10/25/2015, 8:52:55 PM2 votes

Get in, do ridiculous damage, then stand back for 20 seconds, get to full hp, do it again. who ever needs to go back to fountain with warmogs

Matezoide10/25/2015, 9:33:36 PM2 votes

Kiting them is fun.

Mystery Skin where

alasarcher10/25/2015, 8:34:26 PM2 votes

Its fun to play against juggernauts as Morgana. With Rylai i can just spam laugh at them.

Mecha MaIphite10/25/2015, 9:10:40 PM1 votes

said vayne and malzahar

Takhuan10/25/2015, 9:18:37 PM1 votes

It is fun to go antitank against juggernauts its fun to play teemo against juggernauts. Sejuiani and amumu are easier to play against juggernauts, doesn't miss skillshots as much because they aren't small targets.

EndlessSorcerer10/25/2015, 10:16:46 PM1 votes

I'd still rather play against a Juggernaut than Fiora.

WutsKraken10/25/2015, 10:22:55 PM1 votes

Trundle loves fighting em. Mwahahaha

charcharmunro10/25/2015, 10:26:55 PM1 votes

The real issue with Juggernauts is that other Fighter-type champions tend to... Not really be able to do much against them because of the whole thing where Juggernauts are tanky and deal damage but only in close range, which is... Where Fighters have to be. Some odd exceptions to this, though, for example, Darius is actually less dangerous when you're right up in his face which makes somebody like Jax actually quite good against him.

Asayake 5150glow10/25/2015, 10:27:18 PM1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K-0dDPPBd4

I guess Riot was looking at the Juggernauts version of "fun"?

IcyPepper10/25/2015, 10:27:30 PM1 votes

Garen isn't too bad to play against, imo.

His weaknesses are the same before, he just had some "oomph!" added because let's face it, he was kind of "meh" before.

Count Zubat10/25/2015, 10:32:26 PM1 votes

Hi, Vladimir main here. Playing against Juggernauts is loads of fun. I just rush item 3116 and laugh as they hopelessly try to get near me, and even if they catch me, I just vaporize myself into a pool of blood. Have fun juggerb*tches!!!

BastionKross10/26/2015, 3:23:32 AM1 votes

Playing against a Garen as a Kalista is very fun indeed, especially since your passive still functions even when silenced. There is very little the big lug can do to stick to you as you fill him with enough spears to give XinZhao a hard on.

Niyumi10/26/2015, 4:03:41 AM1 votes

It actually is fun to play against juggernauts. :P

You know that, if they reach you, they can just hand you your ass, so you have to play around them and poke them down without being caught yourself. If you're really good at a champ, you can tempt fate and go all-in on them (GP into Darius. ^^) and just hand them their ass. A lot of the time, the people who play juggernauts have no idea how to actually play them, so it's even easier.

So yes, I do think it's more fun to play against a juggernaut than some other broken champ like Riven or Irelia. :P Takes knowledge of your champ and their champ, and requires you to outplay them rather than just out itemize them.

Athenes Lulu10/26/2015, 4:05:38 AM1 votes

Still better than playing against assassins that kills you in .000001 seconds.

Just pick someone that can kite, get some movement speed, and have some fun. Doesn't have to be ADCs, just as long anyone that can kite works.

Lauchmelder10/25/2015, 8:36:53 PM1 votes

Toplane is way too dominant with the Juggernauts in place right now. Midlane seems to be at about 33% power of what it used to be and don't even get me started on botlane. You can kill a good ADC but how can you kill a good juggernaut?

Agilsan10/25/2015, 8:47:29 PM1 votes

I do agree that Garen's new passive is absurd. I was annihilating top lanes even without the true damage. I can't say that it's 'fun' playing against them, but it is very satisfying when you kite the hell out of them say with somebody like Vayne who laughs at anybody who isn't an assassin. Even Ezreal with botrk kites extremely well. It just depends on who you play and how you play them, everyone is manageable you just have to learn how to manage them.

4thHorsman10/25/2015, 8:49:33 PM1 votes

There's one time when I love facing Juggernauts. Vi With item 3931 item 3071 item 3153 item 3035 item 3074 item 1309 and summoner 14 summoner 11 So much fun, they try to fight you and you kill them before they can do anything

Balderdash100010/25/2015, 8:51:31 PM1 votes

Let me see.. Big slow people that I can kite to hell and back while laughing my ass off.. What's not to like?