Im really not seeing why theres still complaints about the rune refunds

AFilthyCaitMain·Sep 1, 2017·9 votes·588 views

You wanted refunds on ALL the runes you bought, now you got the refund. Riot cant just hand out fat wads of essence, youre getting a decent amount back.

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JbelsSep 1, 20172 votes

I'm calling massive fucking bullshit on this. There were a LOT of important quints that costed well over 1500 Each (Some like the CDR quints were worth 2050 EACH!), and I remember spending 7800 IP just on hybrid pen marks. But I guess I'm only getting 900 back from them LOL. And don't even fucking get me started on my 12 rune pages. 1500? ARE YOU INSANE? Each of those were fucking 6300 EACH. And you're giving me a little less than 25% of the value back on them? Piss right off. I did the math, and I'll be getting 39, 800 IP back on what I essentially spent at least 80,000 to 100,000 on and 4 and a half years on.

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

810 runes - 100 essence??? um ok 2045 quint - 300 essence? umm ok...

Well you know what... at least riot is lowering champion prices because of this right?

oh wait.... there not >_>

AFilthyCaitMainSep 1, 20172 votes

at least theyre giving you what you asked for in the first place. 9 runes gives you 900 essence. Compare this with the essence/ip you already have, you're gonna have a LOT.

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

at this point you might as well give me nothing, like I dropped well over 300k ip on runes, to get refunded 54k is fcking stupid. at least 50% or even 40% refund rate... nope... 18% ( at most ) honeslty speaking, I'm probably gonna get less back since a lot of my runes cost a lot , ( I'm talking about 2045 quint ones ) and yea I got every single rune.

AFilthyCaitMainSep 1, 20172 votes

You are still getting that 18% back rather than that 0%. Riot cant just freely hand you 50%+ of the ip you spent, there would be a massive inflation of ip/essence and almost nothing to spend it on once the essence store goes away.

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

but yet, and I quote. "We are refunding ip back to anyone that bought ip this year (after dec 7 2016) " so umm what? your telling me that if I had 180k ip and went on a rune spending spree 5 months ago, I would get full compensated but someone who bought them before wouldn't???

Please explain that to me mr Riot Bubbman73

DrCyanideSep 1, 20173 votes

Who was buying Runes 5 months ago?

Oh, yeah, it was the guy who started playing 7 months ago and has 3 champions to his name. He just might need that BE for champions more than the guy who's plopping down 7800 IP for Ornn day one because he's got more IP than he can possibly spend.

Honestly, these complaints from other older players are sickening. It's like you want to be heralded as some monarch just because you found out about a game a year or two before someone else. You've got enough champions, you've got enough IP, you're getting enough BE back, and you've gotten enough use out of your runes. Be happy no one else has to go through the AP Yi, release Xin Zhao, or buying Runes and leave it at that.

AFilthyCaitMainSep 1, 20172 votes

My problem with their argument is its very likely the older players are sitting on a crap ton of ip already. If not, They are getting somewhat decent refunds now (could use a % raise, but p good overall). By the time preseason starts, theyre going to have so much ip its insane.

Blue101Sep 2, 20171 votes

you are forgetting the second system change that will go into effect when this one does. Long term players will earn less each game than players who just started. Just in case saying screw you once to long term players wasn't enough.

JbelsSep 1, 20171 votes

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Who was buying Runes 5 months ago?

Oh, yeah, it was the guy who started playing 7 months ago and has 3 champions to his name. He just might need that BE for champions more than the guy who's plopping down 7800 IP for Ornn day one because he's got more IP than he can possibly spend.

Honestly, these complaints from other older players are sickening. It's like you want to be heralded as some monarch just because you found out about a game a year or two before someone else. You've got enough champions, you've got enough IP, you're getting enough BE back, and you've gotten enough use out of your runes. Be happy no one else has to go through the AP Yi, release Xin Zhao, or buying Runes and leave it at that.

I wouldn't give a crap if the blue essence store at the beginning of preseason didn't exist. But what I see is Riot giving people a 4th of the value on what they spent because they don't want people getting too much value out of the BE shop, despite how much it's been earned.

DrCyanideSep 1, 20171 votes

Value? You already got value from the existing system. You personally have gotten 3,742 games worth of value from them in the last 3 years alone.

What you're wanting is to sell back used goods that are going to be discarded for the original market value. That's frankly nonsensical.

JbelsSep 1, 20171 votes

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Value? You already got value from the existing system. You personally have gotten 3,742 games worth of value from them in the last 3 years alone.

What you're wanting is to sell back used goods that are going to be discarded for the original market value. That's frankly nonsensical.

So let me get this straight. By basically being forced to spend IP on something you literally can't play the game without being at a huge disadvantage over a huge amount of time, it's nonsensical to get pissed when all of what you spent your IP on is removed entirely, and they only give you back a 4th of what you spent? Time is valuable. Runes are bought by spending time. I spent 3-4 years, and I'm only geting 0.75-1 year's worth of my time that I invested given back to me

DrCyanideSep 1, 20171 votes

You invested your time in playing a video game for enjoyment. You didn't play the game so you could get Runes, you got enough Runes to get by then never looked back unless you had some extra IP you wanted to use for kicks and giggles.

Don't act like you spent the last several years scrimping every single Influence Point you earned so you could get +1 Armor in order to stand a chance playing this game. You were set back on champions 3 or 4 years ago, spending the IP for your filled out basic Rune Pages. We all were. But any and every rune you bought beyond that initial AP, AD, and maybe Tank rune page you did because you enjoyed that system.

If you enjoyed new Champions more than Runes you would have spent less on Runes and more on Champions. If you didn't enjoy the Runes then you barely bought any, and if you did buy them you got years of enjoyment out of them.

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

older players complaints sicken you? well maybe its because they have been here longer >_> I am no elitist bastard, but what really sickens me, is that you want there hard work and time to be unrewarded fairly???? They deserver more than new players,

Why?

Because they been here longer, how is that unfair? they work harder, so they should get more in return. I think that's pretty fair. Were not talking about an economy here, were talking about a virtual game that a company is profiting from. They have a infinite ( infinite amount of resources ) to give to players... THERE not givng rp, WE cant event sell the fcking skins. there only used for our benefit, so why shouldn't they give us back everything they earned? why should they have to work harder than newer players only to be treated the same?

DrCyanideSep 1, 20171 votes

It's only the crybabies that are sickening me.

Older players already got thousands of games out of those runes. If they had to pay 1 IP per rune per game they'd owe more than they bought the runes for. They've bought all the champions, they're getting better things to spend their IP/BE on, and what do they do? Complain that they're not being given an even more extravagant participation prize.

It's like these crybabies forgot why they play, like they somehow conditioned themselves that the only thing worth playing for was an in-game currency that they couldn't spend anyway because they'd already bought it all. How dare Riot give them something new to do with their in game currency, and a way for them to show off how long they've been here going forward!

Were not talking about an economy here, were talking about a virtual game that a company is profiting from.

How does Riot profit? If anything Riot is losing money on this trade by even offering skins in exchange for IP/BE. If Riot wanted to profit, they'd just keep the old Rune system, getting the RP when people buy champions with it instead of IP because they need the IP for Runes.

why should they have to work harder than newer players only to be treated the same?

Older players aren't being asked to work harder than newer players, where the crap are you getting this nonsense? At worse older players are being put on the same footing as everyone else, but even that assumes that the newer players weren't copying the exact same rune pages anyway!

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20172 votes

You make this grand assumption that older players sit on moutains of ip and have nothing to spend it on. there are handful that sacrificed a lot to buy runes, they didn't buy champs or chormas, or even name changes. The spent it on a faulty system. its being taken away and there not being properly compenstated. How can you say they didn't work harder??? newer players didn't have to grind for t2 runes, they started off easy, and now they don't have to grind for t3. And you say they don't work harder??? huh?

DrCyanideSep 1, 20172 votes

You make this grand assumption that older players sit on moutains of ip and have nothing to spend it on. there are handful that sacrificed a lot to buy runes, they didn't buy champs or chormas, or even name changes.

"There are a handful" describes those that don't have piles of IP who have been playing that long. You'd have to barely play the game in order to not earn enough IP to be at that point.

How can you say they didn't work harder???

Re-check what you originally said. You weren't saying "they had to work harder" (past tense), you were saying "they have to work harder" (future tense). Old players are on the exact same footing as new players in the future system.

In the last 3 years, you've played 137 League games on this account. That averages 3.8 games a month. In contrast, I've played 2823 games on this account. An average of 78.4 games a month. Which of us would you say has "worked harder" at this game?

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

First off, don't look up my stats if your gonna get them wrong. I easily have over 3k games, 1.2k of them are in aram. 300 of them in tt, and I had a handful in dominion. So shut that nonsense up right now!.

Second off, the shop is open to all players, people who spent money on runes, and people who didn't. yet the ones that spent money on runes are being rewarded less. How can you not see the flaw in that system. If you hoarded ip and didn't spen money on runes, you actually get more out of this... Why is that hard to understand. And yes there are lots of players who have mountains of ip . but if the shop is going to be as expensive as it is, 150k for urfwick. That mountain barely seems like a hill at this point.

older players had to work to get where they are at now. Its silly to me to think that people actually say they don't deserve to be compensated, and that riot is generous to be doing this.

DrCyanideSep 1, 20171 votes

First off, don't look up my stats if your gonna get them wrong. I easily have over 3k games, 1.2k of them are in aram. 300 of them in tt, and I had a handful in dominion. So shut that nonsense up right now!.

I apologies, the Riot API goofed and I didn't double check it before speaking. It says you've played 137 games when you're looking at the first 100 games, then says you've played 6504 games when you look at the next set of games. In my frustration over the topic I acted too hastily.

Second off, the shop is open to all players, people who spent money on runes, and people who didn't. yet the ones that spent money on runes are being rewarded less. How can you not see the flaw in that system. If you hoarded ip and didn't spen money on runes, you actually get more out of this... Why is that hard to understand. And yes there are lots of players who have mountains of ip . but if the shop is going to be as expensive as it is, 150k for urfwick. That mountain barely seems like a hill at this point.

That's less an "old vs new" problem and more a "people who saw value in runes are behind those who thought runes were useless" problem. When you put it that way, I completely see where you're coming from.

older players had to work to get where they are at now. Its silly to me to think that people actually say they don't deserve to be compensated, and that riot is generous to be doing this.

Again, I don't think this is a newer vs older player problem. It's an older player who bought runes vs older player who didn't problem.

I think if older players are going to be recognized, it should be with levels in the uncapped system. That's what they would have gotten if the system had been that way from the start, after all.

TheDangerousTacoSep 2, 20171 votes

tbh, if that was the case, I wouldn't even mind that., They could of done this a lot better, but hey. they asked for feedback and here it is. I don't think this system will be 100% as riot said it will be in that post, I think its too flawed.

AFilthyCaitMainSep 1, 20171 votes

180K ip in 5 months? Thats a completely insane scenario.

The REASON of this, is because long time players are GOING to have massive amounts of ip already, and giving them back 50%+ of all the ip they spent on runes would give them so much ip/essence, theyd quickly run out of things to buy.

When thinking about situations like this you have to think from Riots POV. Usually if you do that, you see the cons of refunding more. The refund rate would go up like 5-10% more but i would not suggest any higher than that, as the reasons ive mentioned.

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

The scenario was to explain a fault in your logic. Your logic stating that riot couldn't freely hand it out, but yet they are doing that no problem.

Also your making a grave error, assuming that older players are drooling with IP out the buttcheeks, you should refer to yourself if your going to make those kinds of statements, because a lot of the people on the boards are in the same predicament. They spent all there money on runes to not even get a fraction of what they paid back. That is unfair to all of them who grinded there ass off for a system that didn't even pay off in the long run

And honeslty if you want too look at riots pov. This is a bad idea, and they need to rethink it, they asked for feedback and this is the community giving it to them, its that simple

AFilthyCaitMainSep 1, 20171 votes

They are giving full refunds since newer players barely got any use out of the runes. Older players have gotten years of use out of their runes, while also sitting on the ip they currently have.

Say if someone has 300k ip like you said. they would get 150K back + what they have now. thats freaking ridiculous, especially considering urfwick is 150K. If riot gave a larger refund %, almost every single older player would be able to have 2+ of the extremely expensive blue essence items, maybe even have a bunch leftover from it too.

Riot cannot freely give older players huge refund %'s because of the more games and ip theyve earned on top of their runes they bought. we cant have people walking around with like 800K+ blue essence. That would be retarded as hell.

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

NO THEY WONT! have you been paying attention? there not getting anything close to that back, its literally less than half of that mount, WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE UPSET??? 2045 runes = 300 be???? how is that 50% ????

Blue101Sep 2, 20171 votes

Yes, they could.
Not having anything to spend essence (or IP) is not and was never a problem.

BúbblegumSep 1, 20171 votes

They are making runes literally FREE, they shouldn't have given us anything back at all in the first place but because you crybabies wanted it they also gave some refund for it, now it's not good because you still want more.

You act like Riot owes you something when they basically not only rework runes but also make them free for everyone.

The only ones deserving refund are people who bought rune pages with rp honestly.

TheDangerousTacoSep 1, 20171 votes

You act like the people who wanted free runes are the ones who bought runes. What are you even talking about.

The people who bought runes bought them with the intent of keeping them. We wanted those runes for a reason. If your going to rip them away from us for this free nonsense, then at least compensate us for it. Don't give away free runes acting like we begged for it.

"Oh gosh riot, I spent 180k on runes, Thank you so much for making them free, I would never of been able to buy the other 3 runes I was missing <3 " . Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

The rune system was made for newer players, and the older players are the ones getting screwd for it. We wasted our time for nothing, and we don't even get the same amount of rp back.

Edit: Just my opinion here, but I actually preferred if runes costed something. at least then you could earn it like the rest of us did

BúbblegumSep 2, 20171 votes

They are making them FREE, they could've literally made them cost ip then refund the ip for the old ones but instead they are both making the new ones completely free but also giving you some refund for the old ones.

Riot's community needs to stop being such a big crying pile of babies and accept what they get from them.

EVERY SINGLE change they make there are people like you wanting more or not liking it.

Just shut the f up and play this free to play game.

Also you need to stop with the "earning" crap, all you did was play the game just like everyone else, you didn't do anything special.

The only thing you did different from the ones that "didn't earn" it is finding out about this game sooner.