Volibear needs nerfs

Irelia Bot·Dec 12, 2015·3 votes·901 views

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But yeah the same thigns that made Mundo, rammus and Malphite strong also made Volibear strong.

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Flyer BeastDec 13, 20151 votes

You mean XinZhao item 3931 item 1315 item 3124 item 3146 item 3156 item 3115 item 2140 Needs Gutting. (Would be OP after gutting) Not Volibear . Is Fine.

Irelia BotDec 13, 20151 votes

56.29% win rate for Voli 48.68% win rate for Xin

Neither was anywhere near a 55% win rate before 5.22

Yeah voli is totally fine and xin is the one who is OP...

It isn't like Xin is suppose to have assassin like traits or something.

Are you sure you have any idea what balance actually is?

FYI it is not about what is annoying to deal with it is what is too strong or too weak.

Once the tanks who got buffed with 5.22 changes get nerfed we might see some form of balance in top lane again.

ANd yes the 300 gold increase was a needed balance change but there is no need to nerf rageblade again given that it is only godly if there is something to stack it with before going into a fight. AKA it sucks for late game team fights.

Flyer BeastDec 18, 20151 votes

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56.29% win rate for Voli 48.68% win rate for Xin

Neither was anywhere near a 55% win rate before 5.22

Yeah voli is totally fine and xin is the one who is OP...

It isn't like Xin is suppose to have assassin like traits or something.

Are you sure you have any idea what balance actually is?

FYI it is not about what is annoying to deal with it is what is too strong or too weak.

Once the tanks who got buffed with 5.22 changes get nerfed we might see some form of balance in top lane again.

ANd yes the 300 gold increase was a needed balance change but there is no need to nerf rageblade again given that it is only godly if there is something to stack it with before going into a fight. AKA it sucks for late game team fights.

Think of win rates this way. If voli has a win rate of 56.29%, 56.29% of people who play him are good at him. Xin having a win rate of 48.68% means that 48.68% of people who play him are good at him. More people play xin experienced or not because hes more op. Bad Xin's don't always win, even though its very hard to believe. I know how win rates actually work but to me that is what they mean. Voli is annoying to deal with because hes really darn tanky. Xinzhao can 1v1 a inhibitor turret. Who's merely annoying to deal with, or has a severe problem here? Figure it out. (If balance was about who is annoying to deal with and not whos too strong you would be getting reworked. SORRY COULDN'T RESIST IT)

For rageblade, its not OP It's just Xin's synergy with it is pretty op. Ever felt that you were playing a game breaking champion when youre lifesteal attacking a minion was greater than veigar's burst combo? I have, with xin.

Irelia BotDec 19, 20151 votes

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Think of win rates this way. If voli has a win rate of 56.29%, 56.29% of people who play him are good at him. Xin having a win rate of 48.68% means that 48.68% of people who play him are good at him. More people play xin experienced or not because hes more op. Bad Xin's don't always win, even though its very hard to believe. I know how win rates actually work but to me that is what they mean. Voli is annoying to deal with because hes really darn tanky. Xinzhao can 1v1 a inhibitor turret. Who's merely annoying to deal with, or has a severe problem here? Figure it out. (If balance was about who is annoying to deal with and not whos too strong you would be getting reworked. SORRY COULDN'T RESIST IT)

For rageblade, its not OP It's just Xin's synergy with it is pretty op. Ever felt that you were playing a game breaking champion when youre lifesteal attacking a minion was greater than veigar's burst combo? I have, with xin.

Think of it this way

Xin and Voli were not at 55%+ win rate before 5.22 Xin had his new toy rageblade nerfed which dropped him to where he currently is. Yes rageblade costing 2500 was keeping Irelia, Jax and Xin in a decent spot after 5.22 compaired all the other insaine stuff.

ANd Irelia is finally below a 50% win rage after about a year of beign in the 51 to 53% range.

Voli, mundo and some other tanks got a major boost in performance with changes added in 5.22 I just want to see them dealt with sooner rather then later.

Flyer BeastDec 19, 20151 votes

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Think of it this way

Xin and Voli were not at 55%+ win rate before 5.22 Xin had his new toy rageblade nerfed which dropped him to where he currently is. Yes rageblade costing 2500 was keeping Irelia, Jax and Xin in a decent spot after 5.22 compaired all the other insaine stuff.

ANd Irelia is finally below a 50% win rage after about a year of beign in the 51 to 53% range.

Voli, mundo and some other tanks got a major boost in performance with changes added in 5.22 I just want to see them dealt with sooner rather then later.

That's not the right way to think about it. Yeah, rageblade costing 300 more gold was enough to drop xin a couple numbers. But hes still insanely strong. Jax was also OP in the right hands, let's change irelia's name to irrelevant. Mundo's problem was his E. He got a major buff to it. Voli didn't get any kit changes, hes in the same position.

Irelia BotDec 19, 20151 votes

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That's not the right way to think about it. Yeah, rageblade costing 300 more gold was enough to drop xin a couple numbers. But hes still insanely strong. Jax was also OP in the right hands, let's change irelia's name to irrelevant. Mundo's problem was his E. He got a major buff to it. Voli didn't get any kit changes, hes in the same position.

Says Voli is weak... goes and plays games as voli

4 wins 1 loss.

I get it nice to have easy ways to be more likely to win but that is not how you balance a game.

Flyer BeastDec 23, 20151 votes

I didn't say Volibear was weak I said he was strong and not broken (there's a fine line). I also can't deny that I like playing him. Hes fun, he has tank and damage at the same time, and you can't really outplay him because there's nothing to outplay (No skillshots, or missable stuff for that matter. If you miss your E you are pretty bad). I mean you can disengage as soon as he ults and reengage once it's done, but that's to counter him in lane and I main jungle. 4 win 1 loss, I'm almost level 5, however, I can't see how if I picked a different champion it might have changed to 3 wins 2 losses, or 2 wins 3 losses. Besides, those were normal games, and atleast two of them were with a friend who is lower than level 30. This will distort the matchup system, and put people who are lower than level 30 against me with bear, I get fed against people who are lower than level 30. That's how I won most of those 4 games (I say most, because I didn't win all of them against people who are lower than level 30. (I'm not meaning that I didn't win all of those four games, incase you read it like that. lol)