Lower Armor Pen to make Tanks viable again. AND REVERT LAST WHISPER

Hyperiön··2 votes·1,003 views

Pls Rito, bring back the old Last whisper, it was a great item for what it gave. 30% Pen and i believe like 40 dmg. The new Branch offs are literally just broken. 1300 gold for 30% armor pen, and then upgrades does: (LDR)

UNIQUE – GIANT SLAYER: Grants up to +15% bonus physical damage against enemy champions with greater maximum health than you (+1.5% damage per 50 health difference, maxing at 500 health difference). UNIQUE – LAST WHISPER: +45% Bonus Armor Penetration.

So not only do you get basically 50% armor Pen, you also get more bonus health vs tanks, so you just melt the shit out of them.

If you get Mortal Reminder, I guess if they have really heavy sustained champs, its worth it, but barely. You still get the 45% armor pen, and then grievous wounds, it is so much better to get LDR. Still making it op, because you have so many advantages from just 1 item. You used to have to build them seperately, taking a hit from dmg to to stop a sustained champ, IE, mundo, vlad, voli, swain, etc... But now you get a crap ton of Arm Pen, dmg, and grievous wounds. That is just over loaded.

Not to mention you added Armor Pen to pretty much half of the items. So it is no wonder that we aren't in the Tank meta anymore. Brawlers are the FOTM right now, and pretty much making tanks useless.

Example, last night I played amumu for the first time in i dont even know how long. I was melted in 5 seconds, with 250 armor, and 225 MR, and 4k health. Tanks pretty much useless for what they are supposed to be in the game. How can you go full tank, try to be a meat shield for the team, and still get blown right up on an engage? It is really stupid that you allowed ADC's to have all of the power on the map.

You are constantly buffing AD items, and with the Mage update, Nerfed the hell out of AP items. And then when a champion comes FOTM after an item change update, you blame it on the champion, instead of the items. No wonder you have no many first pick/ban in the game, because items give such a power spike, for how cheep they are. Example of that is YGB, that item is hella OP for how cheap it is, and it gives everything an AD Champ wants, 60 AD, 10% CDR, 20 Armor Pen, and the active that just makes it even more op.

So I am asking Please Riot, please make tanks viable again. It is no use to play them if you get nuked right away, when you could pick Irelia/Jax whoever to be semi tank, with 3AD Items and just nuke your ADC. You are solely focused on making the game last shorter than it is, but when you look at Diamond+ games, they are averaging at about 25 minutes. Why don't you go back to the ways it was season 4, because that was the best season you probably ever had. Where the game wouldn't be decided in the first 10 minutes of the game. And team fights were particularly even even if a team was behind 3-5k gold. Not now, that kind of a lead pretty much wins the game, unless they throw.

So please please please please look at your items, rather than nerfing the champions, because the items are what is changing the game so dramatically, it makes champions so useless.

18 Comments

CrazFight 5 votes

tanks are viable tho....

Hyperiön2 votes

Not like they used to be. There is hardly anyone who goes pure tank anymore, except maybe mundo/Voli because of their kits. Black cleaver is a necessity, and Frozen Mallet is becoming more and more popular for what it all gives.

CrazFight 4 votes

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Not like they used to be. There is hardly anyone who goes pure tank anymore, except maybe mundo/Voli because of their kits. Black cleaver is a necessity, and Frozen Mallet is becoming more and more popular for what it all gives.

Ye... "not like they used to be" .. tanks used to be OP so i hope not O_o

Hyperiön2 votes

And then the ADC update came along, and that was the end of that. There needs to be a balance, and there is none.

Penns3 votes

The adc update that made everyone assume Season 6 is gonna be League of adcs but actually it was League of tanks again and now its League of mages? lel

Hyperiön1 votes

Not really, you see Bruisers more than Tanks (yes there is a difference) and mages took a huge dmg reduction. If they kept them the same, and buffed the items to what they are now, then yes, it would be the mages ruling the rift, but its not.

Penns1 votes

They kinda are tho, especially now that Rylais is.. Rylais. Except for GP and Talon, the 30 highest win rate mid laners are all ap too. But when I say "tank", I mean anything that built/builds the holy item 3068 item 3025 item 3065 http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/cc/Grasp_of_the_Undying_mastery_2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20151103095059

Hyperiön2 votes

When I say tank, I am talking Tank. Not cleaver frozen mallet tanky, I am talking Pure tank, no damage what so ever, except maybe Iceborn. Everyone is getting bruisers and tanks confused... Really shows the lack of knowledge in the player base.

Penns1 votes

I know the difference but I just dont really care because, ingame, the Darius top and the Rammus jungle are both gonna take no damage and kill me mid game lol.

Ralanr1 votes

...you know I can't fault that.

Kinda like I honestly don't care much about different types of mages.

karruck5 votes

Trundle Rammus RekSai ....gasp....not viable....really I have not noticed

Hyperiön2 votes

Trundle and Rek are viable, not going to deny it, but for 1, both of them get some sort of dmg, making it somewhat easier to sustain, but will get busted up if out of place, or don't engage at the right time.

The only reason why trundle is viable is because of his ult. Take that away, there goes his entire kit.

Arcane Azmadi4 votes

Yeah, bring back old Last Whisper, because it was so OP you bought it on every single AD build irrespective of your enemies' team comp! We all LOVED that item!

Did you think for even a SECOND why they changed it in the first place?

Hyperiön2 votes

Do you even know the old last whisper? It was 35% pen to bonus armor. Look at it now. 45% to bonus armor, and up to 15% increased dmg to anyone with more health than you. Yeah, thats not broken what so fucking ever.

Arcane Azmadi3 votes

<cough> Excuse me? Do I know the old Last Whisper? Kid, the old Last Whisper was 35% pen to TOTAL ARMOUR! It even murdered the hell out of enemies that bought no AR at all! Do your homework!

Ralanr2 votes

I'm a tank main and while I can't speak for all tanks I will say that the old lasted whisper isn't better for the game as a whole. It was much better for killing squishies for low base armor than killing tanks with high armor (though it made it easier to kill tanks).

Hyperiön2 votes

You actually have it backwards, If you want to kill squishies faster, you get GB, or Cleaver, Last whisper only affects bonus armor, so that is the go too for busting tanks. And now with the LDR, tanks bonus armor is cut in half, not to mention bonus dmg for having more health. The Adc's rule the game, as soon as they get fed.

ProfDrDeath2 votes

Actually, if you only look at the pure amount of Armor the items ignore, old LW was more efficient if the target does not have more than 3.5 times its base armor as bonus Armor. Which, with an average Armor value of about 90 for tanks at level 18, is at 405 total Armor (90 base + 315 bonus). Only tanks to regularily exceed 400 Armor are Rammus and Malphite, afaik.

However, ADCs in general do a tad more damage than in S5, between the masteries, increased AD on LW upgrades and IE, Giant Slayer passive and increased AS on Berserker's Greaves (that is assuming the balanced build - AD item, IE, multiplier item, Last Whisper, Greaves, Defensive item)

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