When you think of a ninja, especially one that looks like Shen, you immediately think of a fast and agile champion. But when you play Shen, you feel slower then scuttle crab. How about Shen utilizes some sort of dodge mechanic to fulfill his tank role, keeping his agile ninja theme and tanky playstyle?
Chaotic Reks6 votesmake his Feint what it really should be and not a shitty shield
blueberrypancake1 votesWhat if it was like Fiora's W but a shield when an attack is proct Seems like a good idea in my book
CubedJustice6 votesFun fact of the day. The scuttle crab actually mentored Shen, and taught him the dash.
junglerboy166 votesother way around my friend.
Rivershen.
DatPikachuTho5 votesHaving a taunt and a dodge on the same kit would be broken.
U4fyn2vZzW13 votesObviously it would be part of a rework.
blujadajhdja6 votesYes pls, also visually update him. I hate his walking animation.
Sinlaire5 votesThe taunt was actually part of a rework to REMOVE dodge. i think it was S1 or S2 but there was a dodge mechanic that worked just like crit in that instead of doubling damage it completely negated it. Riot was quoted for removing it because it was "too heavily reliant on RNG and had no counter play."
i've seen people post that at best you could only get about 40-50% dodge at the time too even though you can currently get 100% crit.
the reason why he has a taunt and a damage shield on his feint was that it was supposed to "thematically" take the place of a dodge without the actual mechanic. in the case of shadow dash thematically he's considered to be weaving between opponents drawing their strikes but taking little damage, because he's a ninja.
CubedJustice1 votesJax used to be able to hit I believe 80% dodge, while being the late game monster he is now.
junglerboy161 votes—and that was before they implemented their current pseudo RNG system (the one currently used for crits) meaning he was more likely going to dodge about 90-100% of attacks than actually 80%.
Tis a nice day1 votesAnd occasionally dodge none for a long bad streak.
Baron of Bread6 votesHe already negates half of the damage from auto-attacks that come from taunted enemies, it wouldn't be that big of a step if he dodged them instead.
Champion Skin1 votesWell it would pretty much be like stunning the enemy for 1.5 seconds instead of taunting them... I don't see why it would be that OP....
After all there are things like Fiddle fear 2.5 seconds or Morgana binding which is 3 seconds and things like Alistar pulverize (Q) isn't too bad either and it is also a knock up which can't be reduced by tenacity or be removed with Cleanse/QSS
Drakzul3 votesI think Shen just needs to have his ratio's changed on a lot of his abilities. Ap bruiser itemization just doesn't really work for him, since he has no mana. He is supposed to stack health so that he can tank and to do more damage with his passive. However his other abilities all scale off ap which is really just an outdated remnant from when all abilities scaled with ap.
This is where I get the confusion on what I should build to do semi relevant damage while tanking.
So let's look at what itemization falls into Shen's priorities: Rod of Ages: This has the health and ability power that Shen needs! But wasted money on the mana, which makes this a worthless item for him. Trinity force: With a bit of health, some attack speed and ability power this item tends to be Shen's only option for a damage item that compliments his kit. There is mana on this item which lowers it's efficiency for Shen, but he'll take what he can get. Rylai's crystal scepter: This is a nice item for Shen giving him some health for his passive and to make him hit a bit harder. Some of the power budget is pushed into the passive, but with Shen's inability to really stick to his opponent this is a worthwhile buy. This won't make Shen too intimidating alone though, as the damage bump is fairly low. Liandries: This item has health and ap for Shen... but other than that this item is not very efficient as Shen can't make much use of the passive. Unless the enemy team is all fairly tanky.
Those are the only items that really help Shen out in bumping his damage up overall for his kit. Honorable mentions to Sunfire Cape.
Now the new Randuin's looks AMAZING for Shen. Giving him a chunk of health, a slow AND an AS steroid to help him with his Passive. So maybe that's all he needs. Idk I wish his shield or q scaled off health so that he wouldn't be as awkward to build. But that's just me. I love Shen though, really cool and fun champ to play, he just feels outdated.
Midget Humper1 votesThere will never be dodge in the game of league ever again, RNG is a cruel mistress and you obviously never played back in season one with jax and phantom dancers, I suggest you go watch some videos and see why dodge will never return.
doublelift fg1 votesi don't need to watch videos because i played it. phantom dancer stacking was cancer they removed it what's YOUR FCKING PROBLEM with the other items? (was only 1 ninja tabi)
Aych Pii12 votesThat's not what he's talking about. Have you played Jax recently? He dodges attacks 100% of the time during his E, no RNG involved.
junglerboy162 votesHave you seen that thread about champion consistency and how Jax actually doesn't dodge 100% of all basic attacks in League? it's a good read.
MacbethAndCheese1 votescould you link thread? couldnt find it
junglerboy161 votesChampions And Consistency (Riot Please Read)
There you go :D
GaleWinUnleashed1 votesNot that same kind of dodge. We don't want RNG dodge back any more than you do. Just something similar to current Jax, perhaps.
Tis a nice day1 votesWould a non-rng dodge work?
Digivolve1 votesI dont like his current passive, I liked it back when it was based on him getting hit even though it was weaker, maybe make him a new passive that he dodges every X auto attacks(maybe start it out high and by the end of the game have it down to every 5 or so) then make it so taunted enemies all attacks are dodged.
Could give him one of those rito special double passives also and make him FLIP OUT when ever he dodges doing some small aoe damage to everyone around him scaling with max hp.
Only problem is if he manages to land a beast taunt in a teamfight he could put up some insane numbers that could turn a game so might have to also put it on an internal 1 second cd or at least wait for the animation to finish before beginning again
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesSounds way too much like Mogul Khan
Digivolve1 votesyea but it wouldnt be the first time characters were similar, hell look at rumble people were griping it was a straight rip off from a HoN character.