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(=1900 gold)#New Item
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+ 150 = New Item (=2900 gold)
S H A Y C 02 votesyou say you have a solution, but that implies there is a problem...what exactly is the problem with zekes herald?
crunchymunchys3 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAlXHXmr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-04-03T14:39:18.477+0000)
you say you have a solution, but that implies there is a problem...what exactly is the problem with zekes herald?
It's barely used and for good reason considering its ineffeciant for gold usage, and only supports would pick it up in a niche situation.
S H A Y C 02 votesi beg to differ, and so do people that can math.
Gold Efficiency
Zekes Herald
Zeke's Herald is 105.7% gold efficient when alone. With four allies, its value is increased by (550+720)*4=5080, giving it a value of 7670g, and a gold efficiency of 313%. Even if CDR is already maxed out at the time of purchase, this item still becomes cost efficient at only one ally, at (2590-633+720+550)/2550=126.5%.
ZephyrDrake1 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAlXHXmr,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-04-03T15:20:12.863+0000)
i beg to differ, and so do people that can math.
Gold Efficiency
Zekes Herald
Zeke's Herald is 105.7% gold efficient when alone. With four allies, its value is increased by (550+720)*4=5080, giving it a value of 7670g, and a gold efficiency of 313%. Even if CDR is already maxed out at the time of purchase, this item still becomes cost efficient at only one ally, at (2590-633+720+550)/2550=126.5%.
no one cares about how gold efficient it is when the item itself is pointless and sucks. It offers nothing to anyone who actually wants to or plans to or dreams of building it. Why would a support pick it up? it offers nothing other than stats they can get elsewhere with stats they don't care for. Top laners? it offers too little offensive stats for them to want the item in the first place. Tanks? it offers too little defensive stats and offensive stats they do not care about. So it's not cost efficient since you more than likely cannot use all the stats of the item and even if you could the stats it offer are so bad that it's not even worth it
S H A Y C 03 votesaegis of the legion would be just as pointless under that mindset...why get 20 mr for 1900 gold when you can get 35mr for 1200 and build into a banshees veil?
If both the adc's back for an infinity edge, the power level of both lanes is equal..if the support gets a herald you go to lane with an advantage, your adc does more damage because they get a free vamp sceptre and long sword. In what world does your team having more damage come out as a bad thing? very confusing.
ZephyrDrake2 votes[{quoted}](name=ToiletteOfDoom ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAlXHXmr,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-04-03T15:34:17.583+0000)
aegis of the legion would be just as pointless under that mindset...why get 20 mr for 1900 gold when you can get 35mr for 1200 and build into a banshees veil?
If both the adc's back for an infinity edge, the power level of both lanes is equal..if the support gets a herald you go to lane with an advantage, your adc does more damage because they get a free vamp sceptre and long sword. In what world does your team having more damage come out as a bad thing? very confusing.
except that Aegis actually gives you stats you can use while not wasting any. Aegis also gives you 40 MR nor 20. You get 20 from the item itself and 20 extra from the aura. You build an Aegis and you do not feel you are wasting stats unlike Zeke's which is "you can use some of these stats efficiently while completely wasting these other stats" and that is not even mentioning that Aegis actually upgrades into something that is useful unlike Zeke's which sucks stat wise, sucks path building wise and is almost impossible to use efficiently. It's only really useful when you have a full AD team that can benefit from lifesteal and that comes with a another whole set of troubles in itself
Duke Anax2 votesI have to disagree havely here, but that is only because i play Warwick Support. It's the perfect item in that case.
I also like to rush it on Aatrox anywhere because it is exactly the stat combination that I want on him.
XxxLumberJackxxX1 votesIt doesn't build from kindlegem anymore? Didn't it used to? Also- It needs more AD, then jungle/tops can get it Like a pickaxe maybe
khorney1 votesIt works if 2 people get it because you get double the buffs . your talking 40ad and 20% lifesteal
AMYS GRAVE1 votes is a unique aura, so you only get it once even if multiple teammates have it.
khorney1 votesMeaning if I have it and you have it. You both get it . how it works
AMYS GRAVE1 votesfrom the lol wiki - http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Aura
An exception to this rule is in the event that multiple champions are carrying an item with the same beneficial aura effect, each of those two champions will receive two instances of the aura buff: one from the item they are carrying, and a second from the aura of their ally. If a champion is near both of the champions with the same aura item, it will only receive one instance of the aura. No champion can ever receive more than two instances of a unique benevolent aura, regardless of how many nearby allies are providing the buff.
If you have it and a teammate has it you both get double, but your allies who have not built it only get it once. I think we all learned something today :)
khorney1 votesI know that . I mean if it wasn't unique do you think it would get used . I mean will of the ancients used to be a aura. This it how it works for all aura items
67chrome1 votesFirst - you're idea is unclear. You should label the top idea as a new item direction for Herald and come up with an item name for the bottom item idea. At the very least you should list Herald's current stats somewhere in that post for comparison, because it looks very much like you done goffed on the stats/cost/builds with a current Herald vs. a new item.
Second - I'm not sure Herald's problem isn't the build order, overall cost, or slot efficiency. I'd go more with the combination of stats it offers. It offers way to little AD for a glass-cannon to consider, it offers way to little HP for a tanky derp to really feel good about, and it offers almost nothing to a support (especially now Riot forced AP ratios onto their utility).
Third - 1000 gold for a meager 200 HP and 10% CDR offers no incentive to upgrade Herald at all, especially seeing as you're spending the 150 combine-cost for nothing (as the 850 Kindlegem in that recipe offers 200 HP and 10% CDR). The average game sees 11,000 gold per player, which breaks down to about 1k in boots, three 3k major items, and 1k in the bank when the game's over. Slot efficiency is not something with a price tag in LoL because of that. Also on this - the more expensive items get in LoL, the more cost-effective they tend to become, pushing players to work on 1 item at a time until it's complete (rather than filling it with a bunch of cheap items then working up).
Fourth - if you're going to come up with a new item upgrade, give it a name, unique, and unique name that all point towards a very specific niche and champion build they fit into. Herald seems like it's got potential for a fighter lacking in team-fight potential to bring something more to late-game fights, when they're at a slight disadvantage, road out their power spike, and otherwise are having trouble forcing 1v1 strategies. If it's going to be enticing for supports, making the item not suck on supports could be nifty - as well as offering aura stats that feel good on more than just a marksman.
ZombieNinja War1 votes is bad now cuz 
UNIQUE Passive: +20% Life Steal, dont stack with it, and is a main adc item i know it stacks with 
but even so isn't that good any more. so i feel like these buffs to it would help but it wouldn't be build often.
