Please enlighten me as to why teams should play Aatrox/teemo/urgot and all these other champions.

it be lìke that·Oct 2, 2016·6 votes·763 views

That YOU wont even play. Are you playing for thousands of dollars? In a tournament that seems like it takes 4 months of playing? No.

When was the last time you played something ridiculous? because i know less than 1% of matches feature ??

Just ridiculous.

"wow. these people are playing comps that make sense and have good synergy when competing for thousands of real dollars. they are so boring BRING ON THE TEEEEEEMO! EVEN THOUGH I FLAME SOMEONE IF THEY PICK HIM!"

"give us 10 bans" okay enjoy your 10+ minute lobbies, hope someone doesnt dodge. rip counterpicking. hello super snowbally games.

No wonder why riot doesnt listen to the boards.

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CerealBoxOfDoomOct 2, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAkvtcE0,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-02T20:36:06.713+0000)

That YOU wont even play. Are you playing for thousands of dollars? In a tournament that seems like it takes 4 months of playing? No.

When was the last time you played something ridiculous? because i know less than 1% of matches feature ??

Just ridiculous.

"wow. these people are playing comps that make sense and have good synergy when competing for thousands of real dollars. they are so boring BRING ON THE TEEEEEEMO! EVEN THOUGH I FLAME SOMEONE IF THEY PICK HIM!"

"give us 10 bans" okay enjoy your 10+ minute lobbies, hope someone doesnt dodge. rip counterpicking. hello super snowbally games.

No wonder why riot doesnt listen to the boards.

You have missed the point by far. You're so far in left field you don't even realize this is a soccer match

My goodness, you are so far off my ISP may charge me for roaming just to get this message to you

You are silly

it be lìke thatOct 2, 20162 votes

nah hit the nail right on the head.

people are salty because x champion isnt good. but y is. they are sick of seeing y.

no one plays x even on ladder but they want pros to because y is "boring to see every game"

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 2, 20162 votes

._. you didn't hit the nail on the head. You awkwardly aimed for a while only to realize you aren't actually sure what you're trying to build and so you paused and thought about it and moved the nail up a little again realizing you have no idea what you are building but you just wanted to put the nail in because you thought you figured out how to use a hammer and it felt cool but it wasn't and you didn't and you hit yourself on the thumb, not the nail but the joint, and it left a little mark but it wasn't so bad even though it was really really distracting but here you are hurting your thumb with a hammer you don't know how to use looking silly trying to build something without knowing what it is you're building.

TL;DR

I don't play champion X for a reason but I want to. I want champion X to be played in pro play but they only play champion Y Consider for a moment what it means when I say that I want to see champion X played by pros in a team game where not all champs are viable.

Though I'm sure its possible you can't really relate as I'm making little effort to make this relatable. If you actually play this game seriously, like even a little, and you have champs you like ever you will understand what I mean.

it be lìke thatOct 2, 20162 votes

pls enlighten me then what is your point?

do you want them to balance around pro play only like dota? that would drastically limit the amount of champions who could be played at an intermediate level.

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 3, 20162 votes

My point is that your post points out nonexistent hypocrisy. There is nothing wrong with what they want. There is nothing strange or ironic about it. Whether or not I play champion X doesn't matter when I say I want to see pro's play champion X or that I want to play a game in which the meta allows me and pro players to play champion X. Champion Y doesn't matter at all, that's just something you randomly brought up. If I want to see them play champion X then it doesn't matter why. I am the all mighty end-user. If I say I want champion X they say "how high" and then I wonder if that joke was appropriate and shrug it off then proceed to eventually get what I asked for.

it be lìke thatOct 3, 20162 votes

Riot can't win with its playerbase.

a champion with a "toxic kit" is bad Teemo Azir Evelynn Shaco Rengar Zed Kindred Fiddlesticks Aatrox Kalista Karthus MasterYi

its their fault there isnt much diversity.

BUT when they are strong and actually being played frequently on ladder, its the complete opposite. "RIOT NERF THESE FUCKING TOXIC CHAMPS OMG. THEY ARE SO TOXIC THEY SHOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO EXIST."

notice the pattern?

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 3, 20162 votes

Said pattern is irrelevant. I don't need a lecture on this simple concept.

The point is that your original post is shit and there's nothing you can do to justify it.

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAkvtcE0,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-02T20:36:06.713+0000)

That YOU wont even play. Are you playing for thousands of dollars? In a tournament that seems like it takes 4 months of playing? No.

When was the last time you played something ridiculous? because i know less than 1% of matches feature ??

Just ridiculous.

"wow. these people are playing comps that make sense and have good synergy when competing for thousands of real dollars. they are so boring BRING ON THE TEEEEEEMO! EVEN THOUGH I FLAME SOMEONE IF THEY PICK HIM!"

"give us 10 bans" okay enjoy your 10+ minute lobbies, hope someone doesnt dodge. rip counterpicking. hello super snowbally games.

No wonder why riot doesnt listen to the boards.

Acting like I'm blind is not going to make this terrible post go away

it be lìke thatOct 3, 20162 votes

arguing with you is pointless. "no im right" "that makes sense so its irrelevant" "nope irrelevant" "more diversity at worlds is what we want" "valid point irrelevant"

done with you.

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 3, 20161 votes

quit bullshitting, you aren't arguing with me you're just trying to change the subject. Your OP was bullshit and now you're getting mad because I won't be distracted by other points you wanted to touch on. This isn't an argument, I was just reprimanding you for attempting to switch subjects and now I'm doing the same for being so arrogant as to suggest that you would even know what it was like to argue against me when all you've done is shoot irrelevant afterthoughts at me.

So what if you can prove 100 ways to sunday that buffing a champion is a bad idea, that's got nothing to do with the terrible post full of terrible logic I came here to tell you about.

Go ahead, dodge the subject some more.

it be lìke thatOct 3, 20161 votes

please continue holding these L's you unranked bafoon.

dota PLAY RATE IN WORLDS WAS INCREDIBLY CLOSE TO LEAGUES DESPITE LEAGUE HAVING A LARGER CHAMPION POOL.

that line alone debunks everything you are crying about, but please, continue with your whiney paragraphs, i encourage it.

It blows my mind you dont realize i used underplayed champions as an example and it isnt limited to just those 3.

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 3, 20161 votes

Irrelevant. Read your first post and read this one.

What difference does it make if I am ranked? What difference does it make if I've ever even played league before?

You call me a buffoon and yet you are just spouting random shit and hoping something sticks or tilts me enough to save you from the subject you are avoiding.

I came to state what a load of shit your original post was and nothing you've just said even attempts negates anything I had to say about it.

it be lìke thatOct 3, 20161 votes

original point is the same as this one, no one plays off meta, when they do they get flamed even if its reasonably strong. Yet you want them to.

then you say "there's no diversity" which isnt true, ive seen them play champs i havent seen on ladder in ages.

they also nearly mirror dota 2 ti playrate of champs.

my point has remained the same, based in facts and % rates. you on the otherhand...

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Hold this L this thread is dead to me.

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 3, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAkvtcE0,comment-id=000200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-03T17:13:09.646+0000)

original point is the same as this one, no one plays off meta, when they do they get flamed even if its reasonably strong. Yet you want them to.

Bullshit, you loosely allude to this at best which is why your shit post is such a shit post.

Maybe you should have spent less time fapping to your own mocking personifications of GD'ers like yourself and spent more time getting to the fucking point so your shit posting wouldn't look so much like shit posting.

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then you say "there's no diversity" which isnt true, ive seen them play champs i havent seen on ladder in ages.

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Please quote where I said this.

they also nearly mirror dota 2 ti playrate of champs.

my point has remained the same, based in facts and % rates. you on the otherhand...

there is no fact or playrate to any game that can disprove that your original post, which I came here to talk about, is absolute misleading and plainly incorrect trash.

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Hold this L this thread is dead to me.

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Peaches please, you can't even meme on my level.

Nagoh ShanOct 2, 20165 votes

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SchàdenfreudeOct 2, 20161 votes

Sorry I'm dumb could you please explain that to me?

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 2, 20163 votes

Strawman Fallacy

Nagoh ShanOct 2, 20163 votes

What cereal box said.

People aren't complaining that pro's don't pick xyz champion, they're complaining that the way the game is balanced, they can't pick these champions.

So while OP rails people for their frustration that pro's don't pick up Teemo immediately, well, there's none of that going on. He's arguing a point that isn't being made.

it be lìke thatOct 2, 20162 votes

i am?

People are complaining about EXACTLY what im touching on.

they want all these champions who no one on ladder even plays, to make an appearance at worlds. the logic just isn't there.

but ok.

Nagoh ShanOct 2, 20162 votes

They want them to be viable. When a champ is so weak that you don't even play them in the ladder, and the coordinated pool is as low as we see it in competitive, that's the complaint.

People are frustrated that the balance is bad, not that pro's refuse to play under-powered choices.

it be lìke thatOct 3, 20161 votes

the balancing isn't bad though? remember when zed was super OP and urgot was played to counter him?

people like to bring up dota, if i recall correctly someone did the math and dota champion played percentage was barely higher than leagues, despite league having quite a few more champs.

can't find the thread, not willing to do the work. check it out.

Nagoh ShanOct 3, 20162 votes

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the Zed thing? The game was better balanced then because there was a counter to a perceived OP, or the game was less balanced because you think zed was OP, and Urgot was played?

And I don't know why you're bringing up DOTA, I don't care about dota, and it is not a factor here. There is no connection between League's balance being off and dota. I'm not going to look for a thread that doesn't matter to the conversation, and because I don't care about dota at all it's not even interesting to look for on it's own merits.

There is a small pool of champs because there isn't enough opportunity cost to selecting a top-tier champ. That's on Riot, and that's the complaint. There are definite gaps between S tiers and the next closest competition.

it be lìke thatOct 3, 20161 votes

how is that irrelevant? the play rate is nearly equal to the play rate of ANOTHER highly played moba.

This conversation is going nowhere if you are going to write off everything that doesnt help your point as "irrelevant"

the point with the zed thing, since i apparently need to point it out to you, URGOT WAS FUCKING PLAYED IN A STREAMED RIOT TOURNAMENT GAME. Like Hello??

Diversity does exist, it just entirely depends on who is considered strong, it cycles out. Zed isn't played at all, zed is poop. Nidalee is a must play or ban. Gnar is a safe pick, not worth a ban.

You will always see around 40-50% of a pool, especially considering 25% of all champions the community rages when they can actually win in lane, because they are "toxic" you demand so much and are willing to sacrifice nothing.

Sorry pumpkin, those same champs cant be good in pro play without making you squeel and yell on ladder.

**edit brand support and fucking poppy top in the same game. JUST NO DIVERSITY LIKE OMG.

Nagoh ShanOct 3, 20162 votes

So I just looked, League winrates are nowhere near close to Dota winrates.

Dota keeps multiple 60%+ champs, and multiple sub 40% champ winrates.

That's hotfix level in this game. If champs are performing like that in league, there's a non-release update to the game, risking massive bugs as that is unacceptable in this game. This is something that's consistent in their balance philosophy and is the exact opposite of what you said, as it's counter to League's.

I mean you just say things without actually knowing the reality of the situation.

Wait, because Urgot was played last season, this season is diverse?

Hoo boy, peace man, not much to be said, don't think anything will get through to you.

it be lìke thatOct 3, 20161 votes

winrates? we are apparently talking about massively different topics. I was speaking about the PLAY RATE of champions in worlds.

No wonder this is going nowhere.

Poppy was played 3 times yesterday, ryze the other day. when was the last time you saw a poppy on ladder?

Nagoh ShanOct 3, 20161 votes

Fine, I checked that too, and even playrates don't matchup between games between comparable tournaments.

Poppy is played slightly below average, but so are a few pro favorites, as they tend to get nerfed if they are popular in both solo queue and pro play, as Poppy was at the beginning of S6.

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 2, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAkvtcE0,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-02T20:36:06.713+0000)

That YOU wont even play.

They don't pick their champs based off what I play, they supposedly pick them based off what is balanced.

If they are always picking the same thing then what does that say about this game.

What I pick is not a factor in this equation. I want to play to win on a champ I like and if it doesn't match the only champs pro players are willing to pick that says things about whether or not playing what I like is actually viable

420 gramsOct 2, 20162 votes

I don't care that the pros don't play aatrox, but when I play him I at least want to have a good chance to get a lead like every other champion does. I feel like I have to outplay my opponent hard with him, and even then I don't snowball like everyone else. It's not that world's diversity is low, it's that there's always a meta that is too strong for other to be competitive.

WarlockLawOct 3, 20162 votes

It's not that players want to see those champions specifically, it's that they want to see a variety. It doesn't matter what champions are seeing play, if they same 10ish champions are picked/banned in almost every game ppl will be upset.

Kledy McKledFaceOct 2, 20161 votes

for qualification its ok but I think after each matches of a Bo5 champinos shoudl be eprmaban for the entire series. Would make us view more champions.