To CertainlyT, or not to CertainlyT?

Poro Lord··1 votes·894 views

I think his champs are great, but perhaps over-complicated.

On one hand, you need to be skilled to use them, and they do have weaknesses.

On the other hand, just to face them, you need to have more knowledge than facing simple champs.

You need to be aware of THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER THING......... AND 5 MORE THINGS!

It is good design philosophy IMO, to keep things fresh, but..... I think champs like Zoe take it too far.

If your target audience is 16 year old kids, with extremely high IQ, insane memory retention, and have never drank or smoked pot.. OK

If you want the game to be more fun for older folks, casuals, and stoners.. OK

Neither is wrong. It's just who you aim to please.

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200 days1 votes

I honestly thought Zoe wasn't op at all as people said she was but after vs'ing her a couple of times I realized she's op af. She gets free spells from minions and 1 false move from your part and she could burst you down with it.

Beatrice falls1 votes

I wouldn't mind if her class was actually defined. Is she an artillery mage ? An assassin ? A zoning mage ? A control mage ?

She has so many tools everywhere that her kit doesn't make sense, why would a long ranged poke champ would have an enhanced AA after using a spell, why would she deal damage all around her (same as Ahri which is quite short-ranged) if her kit revolves around hitting someone from afar ? Why does her E stays on the ground if she misses it and can completely block some routes ? How does it make sense to get summoner spells from enemies whenever they use them and she gets movement speed by also using them ?

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Beatrice falls,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAg8v15q,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-07-26T13:36:51.350+0000)

why would a long ranged poke champ would have an enhanced AA after using a spell

because of her R

Dracocrash1 votes

what is zoe's weakness BTW?

Poro Lord1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Average Fizz,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=AAg8v15q,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-07-26T15:11:18.019+0000)

what is zoe's weakness BTW?

I don't see her much at my elo, but I do know once she Ults, she has no control.

Obviously this opens her up to something like a well timed CC.

Is that enough of a weakness for all the crazy shit she CAN do?

I dunno.

Poro Lord1 votes

I wanted the OP to be more food for thought, than a stance for or against complex champions.

My stance is, I like champs that have depth, but I am in the older slower category of gamer.

I do not enjoy going to lane thinking, "If this is a skilled one trick I'm fucked." And then just rely on them being bad, for me to have a chance, or a good time.

Zoe is that champ.

If I face a platinum smurf 1 trick Zoe, I will be so outclassed it's not even fun.

Other champs I have felt this way is

Yasuo nuf said.

Zed I can be sooo fucking safe, and try so hard, and I make one bronze step 7 minutes in and , "BAM FLASH IGNITE DEAD BITCH, FUCK YO TOWER!"

Katarina In her case, I just have yet to play her myself, so I'm always confused.

Leblanc Same as Zed. "Damn, one misstep, and wing wang zap. I lost lane."

Ahri ............

Notice a theme here? To me personally, I hate hyper-mobility, and flashes and shit.

Should all these champs be nerfed?

Hell if I know, I just know the kind of opponent, that makes the game not even fun for me.

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