Can we all just agree on that Yasuo's kit is extremely toxic and the most unfun to play against?

TrikzterzArma·May 15, 2018·93 votes·17,135 views

Why doesn't that champ get a rework? He is EXTREMELY unfun to play against

160 Comments

ninjaroxasMay 15, 201829 votes

I think a better way to word this is that everyone finds him unfun to play against, even if he isn't the least fun. I'd rather face yasuo then lebalance,but I'd rather not play against either one

FakeGravityMay 15, 20185 votes

perception is an important part of how a champion feels to the opponent, while leblanc is more unfair, like a feed yi running at you for example, yasuo have that feeling of prolonge "i should outplay him but i just cant" le blanc jump on you and kill you and you feel "well not my fault it was le blanc unfair design" but with yasuo all you feel is "why i keep missing my skills? oh great he block the one i was to hit, i will run, nooo my minions are letting him get close" it just take longer for yasuo to deliver the frustration and that make us all perceive that he is much worst to play against

DuskDaUmbreonMay 15, 201823 votes

The most unfun to play against?

He's annoying, sure, but he's one of the least annoying Conquerer abusers to fight.

I'd rather fight Yasuo that anti-interactive bullshit like Heimer. Or Mundo. Or Xin.

Pika FoxMay 15, 201821 votes

Thats entirely subjective. To me, the most infuriating to play against are LB and zed, being super mobile assassins that are difficult to click on, where as i find shaco to be a far more balanced version of either.

TrikzterzArmaMay 15, 20183 votes

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Pika FoxMay 15, 201812 votes

Not remotely, his dash pathing is predetermined and very easy to predict should you watch where he is. Its not much harder to hit him than it is to hit anyone else in a minion wave.

notice me Sin piMay 15, 20186 votes

to be fair, mechanically, ally minions generally do not make skillshot landing harder on opponents; only the enemy minions.

Pika FoxMay 15, 20183 votes

Theyre near the enemy minions so hes usually dashing out then back.

notice me Sin piMay 15, 20186 votes

so basically it just boils down to people throwing their skillshots at a yasuo who is obviously going to dash back into his own minion wave, baiting their own skills into cooldown.

Shattered MindMay 16, 20181 votes

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Thats entirely subjective. To me, the most infuriating to play against are LB and zed, being super mobile assassins that are difficult to click on, where as i find shaco to be a far more balanced version of either.

I would actually agree, though she is beat able, though its hard i would see her fixed

Dabrick01May 15, 201819 votes

Can you, like, being a good argument to the table? I mean, "I don't like this so change it", is not very debatable.

You know who else needs a rework? Trynd, Aatrox, Akali, Nunu to name a few.

There are plenty of people who need to be reworked before Yasuo will even be put on the "potential rework" list.

And you bet ur ass that there will be worse champs that come out during that time.

RyzeTheSmurfMageMay 15, 20183 votes

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Can you, like, being a good argument to the table? I mean, "I don't like this so change it", is not very debatable.

You know who else needs a rework? Trynd, Aatrox, Akali, Nunu to name a few.

There are plenty of people who need to be reworked before Yasuo will even be put on the "potential rework" list.

And you bet ur ass that there will be worse champs that come out during that time.

You know who gets a rework this season? Akali, Aatrox, and Nunu to name a few

EnderspiderMay 16, 20181 votes

3 of those 4 are on the major rework board and I believe all of them have had some kind of minirework trying to improve playing with/against them all changes yasuo has ever had are number changes and indirect changes. he could seriously use some kind of rework even if it's just a minirework

princeblumpkinMay 15, 201818 votes

No, we can't agree. I find uninteractive ranged champions (of which there are many) far more annoying than Yasuo. "You don't get to ever be near me" champs like Leblanc, Pantheon, Darius, and Tahm are also far more annoying.

Dabrick01May 15, 20183 votes

Agreed

saltranMay 15, 20188 votes

Rito rework outdated champs, not unfun champs to play against so keep crying about Yasuo all you want, but he will not be changed.

ZerenzaMay 15, 20183 votes

He probably should be...we know all the stuff he has but for some reason no one wants to acknowledge how infuriating his kit can be.

Dabrick01May 15, 20185 votes

CAN be.

It CAN be infuriating, but it really isn't.

I can imagine that it CAN be hard if a person picks Yasuo into you.

I can imagine that it CAN be infuriating if a team plays around Yasuo like they are supposed to.

I can imagine that it CAN be annoying if your teammates are too dumb to know how to play against Yasuo.

It has not, is now, and will ever be a problem related to his core kit as he is easily beaten by many champs and jgs. You just have to know your matchup.

NaymlissMay 15, 20182 votes

You just have to know your matchup.

The thing about yasuo if you get a bad matchup, he not only has the tools to completely invalidate you (windwall), he also has the tools to shove the matchup down your throat (e) so you have to essentially pray that he shoves the wave into you or else you just can't approach the wave.

BLIGHTBRINGERMay 15, 20188 votes

I feel the same way but with Zed instead.

With Yasuo he can't engage you unless you're near minions or really close to allies. If he is chasing you just go to the jungle where he won't be able to dash to anything to catch up and that way you'll escape (avoid going in the scuttlecrab direction).

Believe it or not Yasuo is actually really easy to learn to play against which is something that I can't say about Zed.

MarothennanMay 15, 20187 votes

Can't decide if he is the most unfun to play against tbh CertainlyT made too many champs for that to be easy to decide

HalcyonDwellerMay 15, 20184 votes

Don't be silly. The designer isn't the quality of the character that makes the character unfun to play against. The kit is the quality of the character that does that.

MarothennanMay 15, 20182 votes

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HalcyonDwellerMay 15, 20183 votes

That is a different discussion entirely. And not one for this thread. Don't Hijack the OP's thread for your own vendetta against a specific designer.

If you have a problem, make your own post about it. And maybe next time don't misattribute traits. it makes your argument look bad.

Automated RivenMay 15, 20186 votes

No, i would rather face a yasuo the a darius or a fizz. Any day. Or aatrox when he isn't worthless. All of those IMHO are way worse then yas

DoktorKaiserMay 15, 20186 votes

Too many kids play him for him to be touched without them crying. I will just say that I have 2 nephews who both play league and another one who doesn't, they are aged 8-10 . Can you guess who is their favorite champion?? And the one who doesn't play league says that he wants to play and main a specific champ. Can you guess which one?

I saw the same shit with Lee Sin 5 years ago, he was the most overloaded piece of shit but RIOT couldn't nerf him because of his enormous playerbase, I guess nothing has changed since.

NaymlissMay 15, 20185 votes

I'd much rather play against him over Fizz Shaco

KonsequenceMay 15, 20184 votes

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Ariel the CruelMay 15, 20189 votes

Yasuo is great design!

. . . Just not in a game where no other champion shares his design principles and approach to balance. (>_>)

TotalJerkMay 16, 20183 votes

That's basically my deal with CertainlyT. He designs great champions that don't belong in League of Legends.

ColdfusionstormMay 16, 20181 votes

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is yasuo a stereotype or a flawed design

"Why not both?"

summoner 30

Handy Sandy May 15, 20184 votes

no we can't all agree on that because if you couldn't tell not everyone has the same opinions as you

if we nerfed everyone just because their kit is unfun to play against less than 25% of the champions in the game would be gutted especially since whenever a champ goes down a new one takes it's place and is all of a sudden seen as unfun and toxic.

DeilionMay 15, 20183 votes

I won't agree with this, because while I admittedly get a bit of a knot in my throat when champs such as him or Riven turn up, I also can say that those moments where I am tasked to try and deal with a fed Riven or Yasuo or whatever else have been some of the most fun, thrilling games I've had because they have challenged me and my brain to learn and adapt quickly - or else get stomped over.

When I then have beaten them, it was a lot more rewarding.

To me, it is no different than any fed champ who become hard to deal with, so I won't agree that they are any worse than others.

Shαco BotMay 15, 20183 votes

disagree

Zed geniusMay 15, 20183 votes

I find Viktor and Zoe the most cancerous mids to face. Yasuo lanes on the other hand are fun because you know he is going to play aggro and int 12 times in lane phase

ThilmerMay 15, 20183 votes

I have been saying this since Yasuo was released, and everyone said: "you noob", "learn to play", "professionals don't pick him so he can't be that powerful", and that kind of bullshit.

For God's sake, just look at his braindead windwall and his doublé passive and tell me that is not toxic. And that's only the tip of the iceberg.

SKT ReZaMay 16, 20183 votes

he is completely balanced.

zaire90May 15, 20182 votes

Nah I hate Brand, Annie and Malz way more

gabetheguyMay 15, 20182 votes

nobody is fun to play against.

DrugothMay 15, 20182 votes

Against most champions, your minions provide some form of protection or deterrent. Yasuo flips that norm upside down and now yasuo can dash 6-7 times and be on top of you, its unsafe to farm against him unless you're really ahead or you were able to poke him down a lot.

Lord NagashMay 16, 20181 votes

IMO he is like old yorick now if you buff him he is OP but he can be made useless easily and just a stun and he is dead. just once pick malzahar aganist him , trust me it is fun.

sKz Aaron DMay 16, 20184 votes

And then he builds a QSS and Malzahar becomes useless.

SuozaharMay 17, 20181 votes

They can't rework Yasuo. He has such a dedicated fanbase and playerbase that if they rework him a lot of people will quit the game or stop using money on the game. You see even in the lore it is said that "Yasuo was a mistake that could never be undone". Which basically most people that play league thinks. And just learn to play against him. Pick renekton, Malzahar, Fizz, Darius, Riven, Fiora, Rammus, Trundle etc etc. He has a lot of counterpicks actually, believe it or not.