When you guys redo AD items, Zephyr needs to GO

chipndip1··3 votes·938 views

This item is such a confused noob trap. It gives ad. It gives attack speed by a whopping 50%. It gives movement, cdr, and tenacity at the same time. But...all these things don't add up to a good item. The ad is low, the attack speed is replaced by PD, the cdr is always nice, and the movement is nice too, but with how things are now with ADCs, everyone's looking for

-high AD -crit/attack speed -life steal -boots -armor pen -defensive item

With only 6 item slots, this combo of "low ad, attack speed with no crit, movement that can't be enchanted, some cdr, and tenacity...I guess..." does relatively little for anyone. Sure...sell boots and buy it, but then you lose Homeguards or Captain's or Distortion or whatever your enchant of choice is. You can't replace the other stuff for it, but on its own it's pretty much crap tier. It'd be decent as a 6th item if it weren't for the fact that you kind of HAVE to buy something for defense by late game so you lessen the chance of being dead for 70 seconds. Other types of champs outside of adcs tend to rely on bursty spells rather than auto attacks, and those that rely on autos would rather build crit items or items with higher ad. This item needs to be redone so it'll have some crit chance and a better passive if it's gonna be worth building. If not, just delete it.

15 Comments

Lord Dusteon1 votes

How about we leave it as is. It's a great item for tenacity on autoattack focused champions (Shyvana, Udyr, any adc), and due to its Cdr+Ms+Tenacity it's good on several other champions. It's already good and not completely niche; no need to ruin it for everyone else so it is better on adcs.

Dreadlocks1 votes

His argument isn't that it should or shouldn't be for ADCs, its that its highly out classed in EVERY stat it gives. Their are plenty of situations that Zephyrs is good in, its just that X item is almost 100% better in the same situation.

I really like the uniqueness of the item with Tenacity and attack speed, so i hope they don't delete it completely, but I do agree it needs something via Crit, Lifesteal, more attack speed, etc.

yukumari1 votes

I see where you're coming from. The item is kind of lackluster. It's almost just a ball of stats.

Mal the Red1 votes

It's Movement bonus is unmatched.

So even that is wrong.

chipndip11 votes

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It's Movement bonus is unmatched.

So even that is wrong.

The stats it's put up with is the problem. It's just a cluster of nice looking stats jumbled together in an incoherent fashion. I personally would LOVE to build it, but the only way to do it is to sell boots...when I need homeguards...so that's just stupid. The item needs what they did to Randuin's Omen and the other defense items. It needs a time where one goes "I would use Shiv/PD, but I really need what Zephyr provides, so I'm building that".

Renaille1 votes

It's a boots replacement for ADCs. Pretty core.

Besides it's not purely an adc item.

chipndip11 votes

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It's a boots replacement for ADCs. Pretty core.

Besides it's not purely an adc item.

It's also shit. If you hit late game, EVERYONE has homeguards. You need to heal up and rush to defend your turrets, and the burst speed of that enchantment is essential. Having a Zephyr then is a waste.

Anyone else doesn't need this item more than they need crit, AD, or tank stats. Who really uses this item and feels like it's core to their build? Like, honestly?

LetsPlayNaughty1 votes

awesome item on vayne...... every adc should buy this item vs udyr....prob irela also

chipndip11 votes

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awesome item on vayne...... every adc should buy this item vs udyr....prob irela also

Seeing how adcs build

-IE -PD/Shiv -LW -Ruined King/BT -Boots -GA/Banshee's

Where would you put Zephyr and why would you do it? Your essentials are already maxed out, and if you felt like a fiend going for 6 damage items, just build the other life steal you didn't build and now you have either much more dmg and life steal or way more attack speed and a neat %current health passive.

Rebonack1 votes

Swap it over to Stinger + Brutalizer for a 20% cdr item.

Håppy1 votes

Zephyr is a fantastic item. I take it on AA-reliant champions when ninja tabi are the t2 boots I need. I play Udyr primarily, and when I nab a Zephyr, there is NOTHING that you can do to stop me. It's usually my 3rd item on him, when in lane. Tri, Tabi, Zephyr. Don't underestimate it, it does a lot of work.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

What makes you think this item is built for ADC's?

For ADC's, this item probably isn't ideal, but for quite a few bruisers this item is pretty good. There are bound to be a few bruisers that can take advantage of all of its stats and passive tenacity, which gets to be a big deal when you don't want to take Mercury Tread, and instead want its other stats.

However, there's still good merit to building it on ADC's because in the late game you can replace your boots with Zephyr for more AD, attack speed, CDR, and tenacity without losing too much movement speed.

SEKAI1 votes

It's mentality like this that is driving the item diversity off the cliff.

No, we should have more items, with more crazy combination of stats, and not less.

EDIT: We also need more active items.

stabby himiko1 votes

Zephyr is for Hide n' Seek.

Sniper 01 votes

Zephyr is an item you build over boots when you're at full build lol. It's meant to help push that end game advantage

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