Increase Fizz's hop CD or Reduce Vlad's Pool CD

Anisoptera··3 votes·1,059 views

Can't see any reason why Fizz's E cooldown is substantially lower. Fizz has a much easier time to itemise cooldown reduction. Both as AD and AP, he can itemise better than Vlad for CD, because he benefits from all the stats. Not only that, he can hop over walls and escape. He even has a dash. A small one, but a dash nonetheless.

Make him pay for his mobility. No one likes playing against that stupid fish.

Vladimir has no use for things like Athenes and Morello as he has no mana. He has no AD scalings, so AD CD items are useless.

Normally, the only CD I end up getting is on Will of The Ancients. You removed DFG, which provided him with CD and lots of health. It was a niche item for when having more rotations of spells in fights was key to surviving without having to burn Pool or Hourglass, especially when carries needed to be exploded. I only get Spirit Visage when they have more than one AP champ that isn't a support or I'm facing one in lane. The pool health costs are horrible when near full health and you need to avoid lots of CC pre-fights.

Make Fizz's E cooldown higher than it is, especially at max level. 8 seconds without CDR for a mini Zhonyas that allows wall hops and can kill people is ludicrous. At least Vlad pays in health, crazy CD and you know exactly where he will be at the end of it.

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FDS Desperado2 votes

Yeah and while we are at it let's Nerf Vlads sustsain and and give him a lot more burst and an on hit debuff. Because fizz and Vlad should both be the same.

RogueWill1 votes

Spirit Visage is your main CDR item and you shoudl build it even if there is only one champion with AP on the other team as it passive will improve your healing greatly. Afterall vlad is all about healing back. Get it as 3rd or 2nd item if you are against and AD on lane and rush it if you are agaist AP laner

Anisoptera1 votes

I can see where you are coming from. I almost always build ZH, WoTA and Sorc Boots, then usually Liandrys and Rylais and Deathcap. I don't see Spirit Visage as the main CDR item though.

This isn't really about Vlad's items, because Fizz's E still will have more CD and utility regardless of items.

RogueWill1 votes

True but Fizz doesn't have nearly as much sustain as vlad does. Leaving the Fizz damages nerf aside, his E is Fizz only escape, as the other dash is point and click (like xin), it is also one of the main dealing damage spells on AP FIzz. Vlad can always turnback and fight as his sustain will keep him going, Fizz wouldn't last nearly as much under heavy fire.

As for your build, I don't play as much Vlad to consider myself an expert but isn't ZH generally not the best starting item? I normally go Hextech Revolver, Rabadon, Spirit Visage and then ZH (trowing the boots anywhere when i have spare gold). Unless I'm losing lane then I go Seekers Amguard or Spirit Visage as starting item and then go rabadons, but I really don't upgrade to ZH until far mid game.

Anisoptera1 votes

I got Hextech, Boots, then Zhonyas or complete WoTA. Zhonyas provides Vlad with so many stats and a very useful active that its almost mandatory. AD champs are always present, and auto attacks even more so. I will leave Seekers Armguard if I'm ahead and want to use the Rod on a Deathcap.

Zazusha1 votes

item 3152 item 3065 item 3158 are your core items. Every game you should end you build with these 3. Visage can be built later, if MR isnt needed early, or if you're fed and can get Rab's or hourglass quick.

HamburgerJunior1 votes

You know, Vlad isn't a champ i've given any thought to whatsoever. But thinking about it he's just a discarded champion. There's no place for him in the current meta nor will there be. He needs a rework. Or to change his passive to something that'll stack up spell vamp over the course of the game so that Vlad has late game presence. Honestly? Vlads pool is just worthless compared to literally any other method in the game to be untargetable.

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