@Meddler, Any plans for Thornmail buffs?

Anisoptera·2/25/2016, 8:54:54 PM·26 votes·1,296 views

Seems pretty necessary with all of these ridiculously strong AD champions running around that are currently dominating the meta. We need more options to deal with these champions (many of them are late game) that are hitting power spikes ridiculously early, even out classing many early champs.

18 Comments

Cherysse2/25/2016, 9:39:52 PM9 votes

They reworked the item 3075 to control a bit the item 3931 meta and on-hit AS meta, now, being honest, it is not controlling neither the ridiculous ADC's or the AS creeps that are abusing the item 3124 item 3930 item 3748 meta.

Bottom Laner2/26/2016, 3:23:11 AM4 votes

I agree. I see Ashes that only have 6 thornmails.

DarkRitual2/26/2016, 1:09:03 AM2 votes

Not to mention how much they pushed marksman away from "just auto attack." Many marksmen deal more damage with their spells than their autos. I'd like to see it reflect a lower amount of all physical damage, not just from basic attacks.

ScurryLizard2/26/2016, 2:11:52 AM1 votes

Thornmail works fine for armor and health stacking champs, but is completely useless without at least two other armor items. It's synergy with Ninja Tabi is good, but again, one utility mage will now ruin your entire life if you don't have guaranteed hard engage. Building full armor tank Malph, I absolutely would have lost 1v1 to the enemy Kog even with my thornmail if he'd had a frozen mallet and bothered to kite

Xosra2/26/2016, 6:11:51 AM1 votes

The item also need a buff due to the reworked warlords giving adc even more lifesteal to negate the damage from thornmail.

Krys Star2/26/2016, 6:58:15 AM1 votes

I've always kind of wished Thornmail applied Grievous Wounds, at least for 1s.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvb2/26/2016, 7:50:39 AM1 votes

Gonna need to buff more than thornmail bud. Armor in general is a shit stat. Of course, riot tried really hard to make it that way. They let spectres exist as a free ignore the ap top laner item, but armor has to be stacked to 300+ with 4k health to not die in 3 seconds to a lucian.

taluwun2/26/2016, 8:50:17 AM1 votes

ok -Rammus

Gentzer2/26/2016, 12:32:01 PM1 votes

I think they are trying to make it a niche Armor item, as I still think it's a damn fine pick when the enemy picks something like Vayne, Kalista or Yi who love to stack Attack Speed.

Also, buy it against Kog'Maw, it's hilarious.

Foxstep2/26/2016, 12:53:51 PM1 votes

They won't buff thornmail because of rammus and malphite.

Iqqi2/26/2016, 2:49:03 PM1 votes

I don't think thornmail is a problem at all today. It returns a ton of damage. Sure if thornmail is your only armor item on a tank it is going to do very little for you. At 5-6 tank items you should expect to see a much larger benefit.

As others have mentioned in this thread, all the OP items you see people building like rageblade and such, are not effected by thornmail. So they get a huge damage increase which can not be mitigated by this item. Part of the reason Rageblade is so insane right now is because of how few legitimate items there are in the game which could actually limit its damage.

Riot should keep thornmail the way it is but introduce another version which is effected by magic damage including on hit damage abilities such as rageblade and on use stuff.

The Yetii Rider2/26/2016, 12:18:34 AM1 votes

The ADCs were buffed. Riot wants them to be strong. We just have to wait for the assassin update so we can get some burst to control these carries.

Sweetiex2/26/2016, 1:31:50 AM1 votes

Thornmail doesn't need any buffs. It's already causing adcs to kill themselves because LW got nerfed.

Like the only reason anyone could think thornmail would need any buffs, is because the current meta adcs deal alot of magic dmg and/or do their damage through abilities.