Talon and Old Rengar have a a lot in common. [Discussion]

Starcall Casey··1 votes·286 views

(To be clear, This is NOT a complaint thread. This is a comparison between the two assassins and the purpose of this post is to create a valid discussion and to receive feedback)

Old Rengar's Q could crit on targets and apply on towers.That was proven to be too powerful, so it was removed. Talon's Q can crit on targets and apply on towers. Old Rengar's E was a targeted slow. Talons E is a targeted slow that functions as an engage/blink to any target and allows him to set up his combo and juke people out. Old Rengar's R gave him a huge speed boost and the potential for escape or engage on an opponent. Talon's R does the same while adding damage to his kit and burst.

Now, They both have insane damage, mobility and burst, but why is one less acceptable then the other? Why can one exist while the other be taken away? I feel that it's because of timing and the meta. If I can recall, back when Rengar was reworked into what he is now, Burst mages were taking the stage and were too powerful at the time for talon to handle, meanwhile Rengar at the time was a dominant pick with insane pick potential and burst against other junglers at the time. So Riot did the good thing and reworked him and made him relatively balanced but can still snowball, good job on riot for keeping his identity.

Fast forward to now and talon is destroying his squishy opponents and bruisers in solo Queue and is snowballing extremely hard. With the tank meta that's going on right now I still feel talon is a great pick because of his immense damage, mobility, bleed and stealth. Since his average build contains every armour pen item tanks aren't a huge issue anymore and because armour pen still helps a ton against the low armour squishy ADC's, supports and mids running around, he can jump to the backline once a teamfight breaks out and burst them before any action could really be made. This was the same issue that Rengar had, but yet a talon nerf/rework hasn't been talked about. Does he even need one? I'm not fully sure myself but I do know he's a very strong champion at the moment.

Feedback is appreciated and Tell me your thoughts about this situation and what you think about both of them.

6 Comments

Troy2426214 votes

I voted he needs tweaking, but for different reasons entirely. I think he's in an okay spot, but he could be a LOT better.

Edge of Daybreak3 votes

The comparison is off. Talon approaching you in stealth is a short duration while rengar could be running up to you from a long distance and rengar sacrifices no burst to do so. Talon's bleed is ass it isn't one of his core strengths at all. Talon's mobility pales in comparison to other mobile assassins. Outside of ult all he can do is go in or blink to creeps.

What do you mean a Talon nerf hasn't been talked about? Did you miss the silence removal that got replaced with the shittiest slow in game? Talon has only received nerfs since his release. Talon is average at best. For lower pickrate champions his winrate always stays around 51 to 52% and this is mostly because he is a niche pick.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

He's honestly a great champion, always has been. Even if you do build armor and upgrade sweepers, his damage is so fast and his engage range so long that he's still going to get to your carry regardless. Great mobility, wave clear, tower taking ability, very good aoe and single target damage, etc. He's probably a little too strong now that they buffed cleaver.

pleepage1 votes

Zzzz. Im pretty sure the black cleaver buffs are going to be used as an excuse to nerf talon again. Everytime ppl start talking about the champ i cringe, it never ends well

Starcall Casey1 votes

I love how this valid discussion that was to be taken seriously and should have valid points as to why they both are similar but yet one stays the same. And it gets downvoted immediately to oblivion. Yet a post saying, "Riven needs nerf, FUCK YOU RITO" gets 300+ upvotes. I don't understand.

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