Feral Flare Toxic item

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Feral Flare is the source of toxicity in the jungle .

Having a jungler farming for 15 minutes is so common now . Surprisingly even when behind in kills(or ganks pressure) this tactic works very well because farmed Udyr,Yi or WW overpower the entire team because Feral Flare is very efficient for the cheap price .

**It is a very biest item **. Making someone like YI or WW experience addition effects unlike other attack speed champions . How is it fair that WW gets +125 to 0ver 300 free damage to his ulti ? This item is too cheap for what it does.

What is the point of picking someone like Fiddlesticks,Nautilus,Volibear or Sejuani when you know that Feral Flare users will outscale your "Late game" by buying their one cheap item .

AD junglers should be forced to use Lizards which is not a bad item but at least it doesn't give free wins 40 minutes into the game .

11 Comments

Anomander3 votes

If you really think Feral gives a free win........ just WOW.

If your jungle is farming for 15 mins and the enemy jungle is ganking the game should be a pretty easy win for the enemy as the enemy team should be ahead in EVERY lane.

CoolSpot21 votes

If you really think Feral gives a free win........ just WOW.

If your jungle is farming for 15 mins and the enemy jungle is ganking the game should be a pretty easy win for the enemy as the enemy team should be ahead in EVERY lane.

Well that is rarely the case in solo q . Farmed Udyr or WW can be more effective than jungler who got several kills . Farmed Feral flare apparently worth more than few ganks .

Probably Ahri1 votes

The idea is that if your jungler is spending 15 minutes farming, then he's not ganking, pressuring lanes, or helping to secure objectives. Opposing jungler should be capitalizing on this.

CoolSpot21 votes

They do capitalize on this but what I see is that farmed feral flare outscale the early game pressure . .

Epichuntarz1 votes

They do capitalize on this but what I see is that farmed feral flare outscale the early game pressure . .

It really doesn't.

If the enemy team has a FF jungler, and you have a good ganking jungler, it's important that your jungler help you get ahead, then push your advantage mid game so the enemy team has no chance to come back. Take turrets, dragons, barons while the enemy jungler is getting is feral flare farmed up.

Raptamei1 votes

The idea is that if your jungler is spending 15 minutes farming, then he's not ganking, pressuring lanes, or helping to secure objectives. Opposing jungler should be capitalizing on this.

To be fair, the OP's title is correct in that the item rewards the jungler for playing like a selfish prick and punishes him for being a teamplayer.

Raja Chachki1 votes

Biased not Biest, jeez

CoolSpot21 votes

Not everyone speaks English as their first language . This is a worldwide game you know .

If you can't tell that I obviously don't speak English regularly .

junglerboy161 votes

You are just another person who can't get past the idea that junglers aren't just there to serve you. We have our own game to win, and if the best way to win as our champ is to farm and carry (which is actually a safer and more guaranteed way to win when not on a 5 person team), then we are going to take advantage of it. Feral flare does need changes though, like giving back the health on hit gain, but in return adding a stack cap to keep one from afk farming indefinitely (which is a problem, because then they aren't using there farming to help carry, they are wasting it late on more jungle camps). Feral flare in concept is a good item, Riot just panicked and nerfed all the wrong things about it when they saw it was too strong "Too much sustain? remove on hit health gain!" oh wait, just build spirit stone, and you solve that problem. They refused to realize that the toxicity of the item came from how the play style it promoted was also being promoted to an unhealthy extreme, not the stats. Farming as a carry jungle is not selfish or rude to the other players (as junglers, WE dictate when and who we gank, not you, and whining only makes us not want to help). I have full rights to play as a carry jungle or a gank jungle or a vision utility jungle or whoever I want that is fun for ME to play and win with. To your question about champs like Warwick and Yi who benefit more than most, that is called item synergy. Just because Seraph's Embrace works especially well on Ryze doesn't mean it is inherently unhealthy for the game, and it is the same for feral flare junglers.

Sorry for getting a bit ranty through there.

TLDR: feral flare's farming style is not wrong just not properly limited. Feral needs a stack cap so people come out the jungle eventually before the game ends.

Drukyul1 votes

What is the point of picking someone like Fiddlesticks,Nautilus,Volibear or Sejuani when you know that Feral Flare users will outscale your "Late game" by buying their one cheap item .

I'm waiting for your critics to actually argue this point. Because it's a big problem.

MiLdLYirriTaTed

It's not like a jungler can farm exclusively for 15 minutes and not get punished for that. If one guy is exclusively farming his feral flare that means the other guy can gank the hell out of all lanes. Fed and farmed Warwick on one team vs a fed ADC and mid on the other team, WW alone can't win.

As per out scaling late game, he may outscale the jungler but if you used the early pressure to get your main damage dealers ahead it won't matter.

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