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Riot's atrocious math around the JG "buffs"

Worst JG Wins·1/29/2020, 7:09:02 PM·23 votes·14,563 views

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You're not giving Junglers "about Half" of the XP lost between 4-18 mins. Your giving them about half of the flat nerfs. But you removed catchup XP from the Jungle item, you're actually only giving Junglers about 6.25% of what they lost. Because about 350 of the 400 XP junglers is in catchup XP.

You're also massively nerfing Krugs. The problem with Krugs is the medium sized Krugs are extremely time inefficient kill. Putting a beyond trivial amount of gold and XP into little krugs wont help as any Jungler doing the camp won't be killing 4 of the 6 little krugs the vast majority of the time.

Also can we talk about this whole "Plat+" thing. Junglers in Pro play and Challenger Elo are much more significantly behind then 400xp. As you admitted Junglers in lower elo are also behind can't you just say Plat+Diamond. Why would you guys balance the core gameplay mechanics around those 2 elos, 90-95% of your player base is gold and below and if you wanna balance around skilled gameplay you should balance around Pro/Challenger. Balancing the game around 5-10% of your playerbase that is above avg. but still not elite doesn't make sense IMO.

All in all. These are more JG nerfs and i'll be sticking to mid.

70 Comments

Smallfry1051/29/2020, 7:13:23 PM20 votes

Buffing the little krugs is pointless, krugs take too long to kill and deal too much damage, many junglers just ignore them until later in the game

OHminus1/29/2020, 8:51:21 PM13 votes

The "buffs" are a joke. Xp starved junglers will still struggle, while Olaf/Elise will be the only top tier because their 1-6 is good

Nice job, Riot. Listen to those idiot solo laners that are now the most op lanes in the game, and leave jungle and adc in the dumpster.

HazeVictory1/29/2020, 9:25:07 PM11 votes

200 years of collective fuckery lead to this.

Kiwi Lemonade1/30/2020, 7:49:52 AM10 votes

I love how mentions theres more shock at lower elo, when literally every high tier streamer I've watched said jungle is crap, and they are junglers... the "shock" has no elo barrier, literally no one likes the changes.

taleofsonata1/29/2020, 8:03:43 PM5 votes

Hashinshin said jungle is the most overpowered role and I think he is right, jungle should be underleveled just like supports. They should not impact games like crazy, even if they are underlevel junglers are always useful because of smite.

boricCentaur11/29/2020, 7:35:51 PM4 votes

YOU SHOULD NEVER BALANCE AROUND PEOPLE PLAYING LIKE SHIT THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

Jungle needs a rework that is all this proves, like I'm getting pretty annoyed with all the xp changes since it makes xp feel inconsistent though out the season.

Also jg xp isn't that bad you're equal to a bit ahead of bot lane.

Jungle is already the most impactful role and giving them more xp isn't a good thing, camps die WAY to fast and junglers take so little damage that xp has to be this low.

League isn't fun when you have a jungle ganking a a lot without any risk.

IVSakenz1/29/2020, 7:29:07 PM2 votes

if you kite krugs.. only one should be hitting you at a time, and you cut the time down by getting to the buff or raptors faster.. cuts a lot of the time down and damage taken.

90% of junglers just sit there and face tank them.. that's why they think its too much trouble

ModAcademy Kayn1/30/2020, 12:47:04 AM1 votes

I don't get how these are nerfs. First camp bonus is lowered by 15 and red and blue are down 5 exp too, but the buff exp on Large monsters makes that difference null after the first two camps after your first clears, and becomes 25+ after you clear the other side of the jungle. Tie that into Monster EXP scaling being minorly buffed, and there is a small bonus, but this is clearly not a nerf.