Karma's other mantra'd abilities do something more than just offer a stronger version of the ability, except for Defiance. Having an aoe shield and speed boost is really good (even if it is only for 1.5s), but the skill looks like it should do more for the target rather than just give them a bigger shield. What if defiance removed all CC from the target instead, could that work?
evilsforreals3 votesThe problem is that since they removed the damage source, it's the only spell that doesn't fit into Karma's current kit. Every spell she has contains a component that helps her refresh Mantra, except for R+E. It really gimped her teamfight potential, when she could tag a bruiser with it, to take 8-10 seconds immediately off of Mantra, so she would have it up again quickly. I feel they could have nerfed the damage, but a damage component should still be in the R+E.
IxtaliKing1 votesI agree, I feel like the removal of R+Es damage makes the skill as a whole feel quite lack luster. I just want there to be more of a reason to use that spell, RQ has more damage and an extra aoe component, RW heals her and roots for longer, RE is just a bigger shield...
Ionian StarChild2 votesThat's exactly what I've been hoping for all this time, but thanks for posting it since I now know I was not alone with the thought (lol). Karma, in general, lacks a unique spell that would make you want to choose her over other options that pretty much offers the same tools she provides but with more reliable/convenient ways of delivering them. I feel that with her mantra-ed shield granting the main target a cleanse people would consider her more not to mention she would have a more reliable tool for support. I'm all for the idea and well, if it's never going to be considered by Riot, have the damage component returned and maybe tone it down to avoid making the spell the "go-to" choice for mantra. It opens up more combo options for her not to mention damage potential.
Another suggestion would be to have the AoE deliver a minor knock back to surrounding enemies, similar to Riven's Q. It would make sense visually and also gives Karma more tools for supporting since she lacks a hard CC to try to interrupt the enemies from focus firing on an ally. Every other support brings so much more that sometimes having to support as her feels severely underwhelming, like something's missing and is not quite there. She could use some minor tweaks to bring her close to being a solid pick. Overall, she's a great champion but one that's close to feeling complete.
IxtaliKing1 votesI like the idea of a knock back on her RE, visually it makes perfect sense you're right. I'd be quite happy with that because it would help laning against Kata xD
Catastrop2 votesI actually don't understand why they removed it in the first place because either way, the damage wasn't great or anything and thanks to W, you were guaranteed to get another Mantra charge for the teamfight.
Posui Gart1 votesIts shorter Sivir's ult with added shield. Removing debuffs is a nice idea, but adding it to AOE speedboost is too op, and replacing speedboost with debuff removal would be either too weak or too strong(Malz, Zed)
IxtaliKing1 votesEven if the debuff removal is only for the actual target of the skill? The other allies would just get the % shield and speed boost.
Posui Gart1 votesWell, it could be balanced if it only removed CC(like Michaels), countering Zed's ult/Morde's ult with a single <30 sec cd spell is too much. It can work because her RE does no damage and thus does not proc her cd reduction
IxtaliKing1 votesOh that's true, I was only thinking of cc.
OverpoweredSoap1 votesA good Karma will pretty much have her ult up all the time due to her passive, having it remove debuffs would be way too strong imo.
pE4CbxDPQO1 votesWhat if defiance removed all CC from the target instead, could that work?
I'll agree that it could do something else, but this wouldn't be okay. Karma's new role would literally just be standing behind the team waiting for the team to get ulted by amumu, galio, braum, morgana, etc and press RE on a short cd. Something else could be okay though.
IxtaliKing1 votesShe could, but she'd have to choose which single ally would be the best to free from the cc. But fair enough, as long we can agree her RE could do with something else xD