Nashor's Tooth

Elite4Runner··6 votes·3,607 views

Who is this item still relevant on?

It kinda feels to me like it has fallen out of favor, but maybe I just don't play said champion often.

I would think that someone like Azir would still be good with it, the on-hit effect feels wasted.

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Crett2 votes

Teemo Rush item 3165 item 3115, instant 45% CDR, proceed to fill map with mushrooms at 20-25 minutes and set up constant annoying ambushes with your sustained damage and slows

It's also a relevant item on AP Ezreal (who himself is out of flavor). Gives him every stat he wants, boosts his Q damage and helps him make use of his passive with an AP build.

Kayle uses the item too

TwistedFate can make use of Nashor's which makes his E quite a lot more impactful, but he loses a little bit of burst from his Q; it's situational. best used when kitable melees are afoot or you can't rely on your Q as much

If you really feel like trolling, Warwick's ult applies on-hits 5 times. With item 3115 item 3100 you can add a 125% AP ratio to his ult, then Q auto them for another 165% AP, so 290% total AP ratio burst. This WILL kill squishies without much hope of escape, but you have to build for it all game.

Arcane Blade used to give so much potential to these builds. another 5% on-hit AP damage meant Warwick had 320% AP ratio burst

XinCrin2 votes

Any champion who benefits off of attack speed and ap can use nashors.

Elite4Runner2 votes

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Any champion who benefits off of attack speed and ap can use nashors.

I feel like you're being intentionally redundant.

SzGamer2271 votes

Teemo Kayle Azir

XinCrin2 votes

You asked who is this item relevant on.

And I am telling you, any champion that uses AP and Atk spd can use it. Kayle Azir Teemo and lots of off meta builds on TF,Xin,Trynd, e.t.c.

Elite4Runner1 votes

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You asked who is this item relevant on.

And I am telling you, any champion that uses AP and Atk spd can use it. Kayle Azir Teemo and lots of off meta builds on TF,Xin,Trynd, e.t.c.

Yes, who, as in who specifically. I'm grateful for you having included some in this comment.

Narsicus2 votes

AP Varus isn't terrible and he uses Nashor's rather well.

-He needs the attack speed to stack his passive. -The AP benefits his % Max HP burst and he also naturally has magic damage on hit with an AP ratio (25% naturally, so 40% with Nashors). -CDR never hurts, especially when you are dependent on your abilities to proc your stacks

It ends up helping him in about every way he needs, certainly not a common build though.

Hochelaga2 votes

I'm thinking of Teemo, Kayle, Lulu, Ap Jax, Varus, Diana, Azir, Orianna

Sire Hippington2 votes

It's still quite relevant for some champs(Azir Diana Kayle Teemo ) and usefull for off-builts(Ekko Evelynn Kennen TwistedFate and others). However, i do think it could use some small buffs/changes. I personally would love some manasustain on it, maybe some on-hit mana restore that scales with missing mana and is increased vs champions. I mean, AS and cdr are both dps stats that focus on extendet combat patterns. For extendet fights, you need more mana, and with more cdr you cast mores spells, so even more mana needed. Another issue for me is that so much of the on-hit damage is gated by AP-scaleing, but there are few other AA-focused items with AP. You also usually would want to go more tanky, atleast on melees, to make use of the dps, which again means rather low AP builts. So increasing the base damage of the on-hit(maybe per level scaleing) and lowering the ap-ratio would help the item to work out in more builts.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

AA reliant champions that scale well with AP I suppose.

Elite4Runner1 votes

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AA reliant champions that scale well with AP I suppose.

... so helpful :p

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

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... so helpful :p

I try. Sorry xD. Azir Ekko Diana Kennen TwistedFate Teemo Kayle would be my list and thoughts. Unless you can't want to go into off builds and the likes.

Then I would include AP: Udyr KogMaw Ezreal .

And for fun. Bard Lulu Orianna

Is that better?

Elite4Runner1 votes

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I try. Sorry xD. Azir Ekko Diana Kennen TwistedFate Teemo Kayle would be my list and thoughts. Unless you can't want to go into off builds and the likes.

Then I would include AP: Udyr KogMaw Ezreal .

And for fun. Bard Lulu Orianna

Is that better?

Yes, very much better

LostFr0st1 votes

Anyone that wants AP+Attspd (+cdr). Notably Azir Kayle Teemo

deoje2991 votes

Teemo Kayle Diana Azir Are the ones i can think of.

Prestige AkaIi1 votes

Not bad on hybrid Jax I believe.

rtbf2216514121 votes

Azir Diana Evelynn Kayle Nidalee Teemo

Hige1 votes

nashor's is a GREAT item for champions who rely on AP/AS mainly TF, teemo and even kennen, problem is that it's overshadowed by a lot of other options, sadly

NightmareAmazoX1 votes

Azir Diana Evelynn Nidalee Varus Teemo Shaco

Jeanne fan club1 votes

I hate item 3115 on Diana to death, but for some reason that I don't understand yet it works. Its really only relevant on AP champions that rely on attack speed. On Diana it makes her passive come up faster so she can clear camps faster, On Kayle it lets her use her E more since it is on a timer instead of an aa limit, Azir needs it for his soldiers, Teemo uses it because he needs to do Teemo things with his Teemo kit.

The only other champions that this would be viable on in any capacity are Mordekaiser because it speeds up his 3 hit combo. TwistedFate because he auto attacks I guess, Akali because she also auto attacks I guess, and maybe Corki because he auto attacks. Its not built on any of these champs because they have other crap to buy

LordKentravyon1 votes

Not gunna provide any more suggestions they are all int he comments (big 3 being Azir, Kayle, Teemo)

but I think the item fits into a very nice niche. If anything I think it would be nice if rito made another AP AA reliant champion that can go into this niche. The newest one who really uses it is Azir, (though you could make a case for ekko)

VoraciousX1 votes

Shaco isn't really good with Nashors. You want someone with frequent auto attack damage boosts on AAs, like Diana or Kayle . Teemo can be good with it, but only if you're playing on-hit Teemo , or that weird hybrid Teemo build that makes him weaker in both auto attacks and abilities, but sort of makes his damage in general good, rather than full AP or full on-hit. Though on-hit could use nashors too. I suppose Azir would use it too though.

Kayle and MAYBE Diana are the only ones who absolutely need nashors. Mainly Kayle, Diana can sorta do without it if she wants.

Shaco has damage boost on back stabs, but Nashors wouldn't make him any better.

For off meta, Lulu with on hit builds is really good, and maybe TwistedFate if you can afford to get it after all the other items for him you'd want for an on-hit TwistedFate .

I will admit I don't think item 3115 is super amazing right now though. item 3101 was nerfed a while back so it's weaker when building up to it, but I think if it were buffed Kayle would be even stronger, and I think she's pretty good right now already. I feel like the on-hit damage is pretty weak in general, so most only get it for the attack speed and AP combination, plus every little bit helps. In general I don't think the item is amazing, it's just that attack speed and AP are hard combinations of items to come by.Kayle just does well with every bit of it though due to her passive.

deadlychuck1 votes

You have yet to see the blight.

Varus summoner 4 summoner 6 item 1055 > item 3158 > item 3124 > item 3115 > item 3085 > (pick 2) item 3001 item 3091 item 3157 item 3089 item 3146

Trust me, you will not be disappointed. When you dance with death, lead.

MadManApocalypse1 votes

Azir Corki (It's kinda funny how nice it works) Diana Ekko Evelynn Elise Ezreal Fizz Kayle Kennen KogMaw Shaco Tristana TwistedFate XinZhao Varus Warwick

Can work on these all.

Elite4Runner1 votes

Okay, I actually think the real question was lost somewhere.

Who is it particularly good on?

Who is it core on?

Who actually builds it commonly?

Sure it CAN work on pretty much anyone, especially if they scale on AP, but that isn't what I'm asking.

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