An new AP support item designed to make their pick potentional stronger. I would like to get some feedback here regarding the ballance for such an item.
+ 
+ 750 + (=2200)Thoughts?
Sun Mythic1 votesProbably will be bought in mid sometimes too
CoolKnightST1 votesI honnestly think that would be ok. I can't think about an direct example where it would be broken on. It doesn't give a lot of ability power for scaling supports to utilize it while lane bullies often doesn't have the slows to buff in the first place. Those are better off with 
. Same goes for champions that spam abilities.
Not sure if we can allow to stack with it tho.
FurretHasAGlock1 votesmake it build into rylais?
CoolKnightST1 votesRylais does something compleetly different and wouldn't make sence add all.
FurretHasAGlock1 votesRylais does something compleetly different and wouldn't make sence add all.
Yes, however, possibly make the passive the same as rylai's, the increased slow, honestly, would cause problems. thresh's box would make champs unable to move, as its 99% slow, as with zileans E, at max level. It would basically be another semi-hard CC to those kind of kits, and considering thresh, the slow is WAY too much CC on him if it snares.
CoolKnightST1 votesI had plans to add an cap to 99% to it. This means the item is useless on Thresh his ult.
With that change it basicly useless for zilean too unless they want a 99% an rank earlyer.
The main champions I want this item to benefit on is 
. I actualy feel bad for 
that he can't benefit from the item.
A lot other supports like 
will benefit from this too.
AyRe CoNteMpT1 votesso a 30% slow now slows for 36% ?
CoolKnightST1 votesJup
Nekusen1 votesit's a support item, we need mage items
Erockandroll1 votesThat items is going to get balanced around the highest abuse case. And be made crap afterwards.
And if a few champs are having problems with their slows, it's better to buff their kit, not their item. Partually because an item that can affect slows that cheaply, will be abused by other laners. (not just support.) And even if it wasn't supports still wouldn't take it, because it's way to greedy. Over a more supportive item like Banner of command, or Cruciple.
CoolKnightST1 votesI think the ballance itself won't be that problematic as you might think. I give an example with the champion :
As a solo laner Lulu is ballanced arround waveclear, peel, enchanter & lategame sustain damage. On this moment their is little to no differents between the functionality of her support kit as wel as her solo lane kit. The more AP means more utility she can provide.
Her support role is ballanced arround peel & enchanting. In theory her pick potentional suppose to be better with 
but their is litterly the only differents we have right now. On this patch even that differents has been taken away.
Rather than letting supports get cc scaling with their AP they have to spend gold for it. Something like this is a lot easyer to ballance. Offcourse midlane Lulu can still get this item but let's think about a theoretical build ones is no longer an option:
(2550 gold)
(800 gold)
(3800 gold) or 
(3200 gold)
are probaly a must go add some point.
, this new itemI don't think it's a good idea to go this item early on a solo lane lulu because of the fact she loses so many AP she won't be able to waveclear properly. As a 6th item it could be intressting but even than you could agrue that when going an AP item it's better to take something that can trigger the 10% more momentspeed on Whimsy (what's even possible with lich bane when having Deathcap in that build).
has show that a support can legit buy these type of items. The fact that this item cost 1000 gold less than that would sure make it worth. It gives health what's also pretty intressting.
Nekusen1 votesthe thing is that support already have ways of getting CDR, the ones that need it the most right now are mages
Kaeblen1 votesso, I'm going to suggest a different item; a completely different item; an outrageous one:
+
+ 750 (=2700)this item gives hybrid scaling, and therefore can't give very high values (
and a few others prevent that).
Even so, the increase missle speed would be an entirely unique and noticeable change to gameplay.
gets a faster ult.
probably gets nerfed because of it
can hit her Q easier
and the list goes on.
FurretHasAGlock1 votesso, I'm going to suggest a different item; a completely different item; an outrageous one:
- +35 AD
- +45 AP
- 10% CDR
- Unique Passive: +20% missile speed for all non-aa missles.
- recipe:
this item gives hybrid scaling, and therefore can't give very high values (
Yea, no. XD
CoolKnightST1 votesRiot already stated they will never implement scaling missle speed in the game. It had something todo with been unhealthy for a reaction based FPS game.
Secondly, we already have plenty of hybrid items in the game. Hybrid items where always a pain in the ass to ballance out. Just look how 
played out. It's probaly in the most ballanced state riot ever managed to rework it but it's still has really tricky power curves that riot has to keep an eye on. Same goes for 
actualy.
Kaeblen1 votesyeah, I didn't think my idea would be one that would actually get implemented.
I know the issue with hybrid items, but do you know why they are opposed to scaling missle speed? I know 
's Charm scales with missle speed, so... just a reaction time problem?
CoolKnightST1 votesIt's not only reaction time. It also has todo with Frame per Second (FPS) & ping. Let's say you play vs someone that has 100 FPS & 30 ping vs someone with 50 FPS & 50 ping. The first guy would be add a serious advantage. Even if the second guy is better add the game. It most likely the second guy will lose that fight. It's never a good thing skill get determined who has the most money to spend on a good pc.
Let compair it with sports. Let's say guy A has better shoes than guy B but guy B is better add the game. It would really shitty that guy A wins that simply because he has better shoes. In an online game the example of better shoes has more impact on the game (FPS, ping). So the developers need to be carefull how many factors they make dynamic that impact how good your FPS & ping is.