Why can Jax auto attack during E while Garen can't?

After3perma··4 votes·1,922 views

Makes perfect sense. Both champions are spinning their weapon but Jax can auto attack while Garen can't. And Jax has the more superior E ability because it blocks all auto attack damage and then it can stun targets while Garen's E just deals damage.

So why not do this instead, change Jax E to whenever he uses E he can't auto attack but pause his passive stacks.

It gives counterplay rather than nullifying ADCs for 2 seconds since this bullshit champion has mobility, deals physical and magic damage and also gets free resistances for building damage.

15 Comments

HalcyonDweller5 votes

What? Your premise makes no sense. Garen's spin deals damage, that IS the attack.

Jax spin is a dodge / stun. They're supposed to be different. Stop trying to make things the same.

Verxint4 votes

Because the spin IS the attack

Sona Ping2 votes

Because Garen uses both hands on the sword to spin.

After3perma1 votes

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Because Garen uses both hands on the sword to spin.

Then Jax should punch targets then with like 80% reduced damage since he uses one hand to spin the lampost.

Sona Ping4 votes

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Then Jax should punch targets then with like 80% reduced damage.

Why would he do reduced damage? Either he would hit you with the lamp or you would get punched by Jax.

DorkunedAuras1 votes

We should all be glad Jax isn't just punching the shit out of us

haaaaaaalp1 votes

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Then Jax should punch targets then with like 80% reduced damage since he uses one hand to spin the lampost.

Jax doesn't need a real weapon to deal daamge

MadNoff2 votes

My friend, you make perfect sense. You cannot spin a lamp post above your head then strike with it AT THE SAME TIME, EXCEPT..................................................if Jax is a time master like Ekko and Zilean.

Doge20201 votes

Garen’s sword only has one edge that he can effectively deal damage or hit somebody, Jax’s lamp is a blunt staff that can parry and attack at the same time. With a staff like jax’s both sides usually have the same shape, so it doesn’t matter what side you use, you can easily block a swing from a sword (or AA in game) while simultaneously being able to attack somebody with the other end of the staff.

With garen’s sword you can’t do the same thing, if you try spinning around yourself while holding a sword you will find it very hard to block attacks. that is because you are already moving you will have to either stop moving and move your sword to the correct place to parry, or move your sword while spinning to block the attack. The problem with both options is that you will be using the only way that you can attack or deal damage (the sword) to block something.

So making Garen able to AA with his sword while he is spinning (which he uses his sword for) is super unrealistic and impractical and just doesn’t make sense at all, both in-game and in real life. Now if RIOT changed some of garen’s visuals to make him split his sword into two smaller ones while spinning, like in the god king skin, then this idea of Garen being able to AA while spinning might make sense.

If my realist viewpoint doesn’t help then here is another and probably more simple explanation. Jax’s e dodges during a channel then deals damage and stuns people in a radius at the end of the “channel”, so he isn’t dealing any damage with just the e channel. Jax can AA during the e channel to let him still deal some damage. Meanwhile garen’s e deals continuous damage around him and he can’t block damage while spinning. So Garen can deal continuous damage with the trade off being that you can’t AA and that there is no dodge mechanic.

If you take the part out where you can AA during jax’s E then you get a pretty bland and uninteresting ability. And you take away what I think is a very big part of his late game damage. But honestly jax being able to AA during e is not that big a deal, usually a jungle jax will be using it to sustain better in the jungle, he usually will charge e while running towards an enemy so he can jump onto the target or near it to it and immediately stun them to CC them in a gank.

Moody P1 votes

because garen is underpowered

emarythomp21 votes

You want the real answer? Because riot designed the champions like that and garen would be a lot stronger than jax or anyone if he was able to auto attack with his e active. It already does enough damage mid to late. I'd know since i one trick him

Quiet Dude1 votes

How come Darius can't auto attack when he uses Q? Why doesn't Pantheon auto when he uses E? How come Yasuo can't auto when he ults? QUESTIONS FOR OUR TIMES.

This is sarcasm, btw, just thought I'd point it out.

Cloud2731 votes

What's stupid is that a champion in a "defensive stance" is able to leap on me, auto me, and stun me while in a "defensive" stance.

AnAggravatedPimp1 votes

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What's stupid is that a champion in a "defensive stance" is able to leap on me, auto me, and stun me while in a "defensive" stance.

Because shield bashing doesn't exist. Because attacking while defending is impossible.

BrightWîngs1 votes

because Jax E doesnt do any damage as its spinning if garen could auto while doing damage from E that would be broken

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