My Biggest Fear with the Ezreal Rework is...

Linna Excel·Aug 7, 2018·51 votes·18,753 views

My biggest fear with the Ezreal rework riot announced earlier today is they aren't going to do anything about his Q. So why worry about the Q? Simply put that in the history of League, nothing has broken more things and items in the game than Ez's Q. His Q has gotten a lot of on-hit items deleted, nerfed, or reworks. It's why on-hit champs can't have nice things.

While I don't hate it, the fact that it applies on-hit effects really has to go. One of the things about these VGUs is they are supposed to fix the most broken aspects of a champ and the on-hit application of his Q has broken too much in the past. It has to go and this is riot's best chance to do something about it for the next few years. If he needs power added to his kit without it, fine, but his Q breaks too many things.

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Its All SkillzzAug 7, 201833 votes

My biggest fear as an ezreal main, is them touching his AP ratios and making him strickly an ad champion like they did to tristana. Ezreal having hybrid and ap burst builds is one of the reasons i started maining him. being able to adjust to any situation is always nice. our team is full ad ill just build ap bot an smack the enemy team, our team is mostly ap ill just build ad, they got divers ill just go gauntlet, they got tons of squishies ill just go full ap and 1 shot them all, or if i need to go triforce.

KlydeFrogAug 7, 20183 votes

Bro the build i use works eveytime. Manamune static ludens . take transcendence and boom you one shot anyone thats not a tank. Stop building iceborn and triforce together They do not stack. Also build iceborn. Issue solved

iPooUnicornsAug 7, 20183 votes

It's all about the "you thought I was AD" build.

You start by building item 3004 item 3057 like usual.

But then you spook them and go straight AP afterwards.

item 3020 item 3042 item 3040 item 3100 item 3089 item 3135 / item 3146

It's like normal AP Ezreal, except you're still relevant early game.

KlydeFrogAug 7, 20181 votes

not really. its more of stacking mana for ad and cdr for ap due to trasncendence and if you want the adaptive to go ad instead of ap build blade of the ruined king or deaths dance. trust me this is the best way to build him

TetsipAug 7, 20189 votes

Sounds OP, especially the part about being able to have 7 items XD

HeimerLmaoAug 7, 20183 votes

Well, now he not only broke some items, but also the item system itself. Now seriously, notice the / before the Gunblade.

Aram Mama Aug 7, 20181 votes

in this patch games finish as soon as i buy second item so that wouldnt work in 90% of cases.

Linna ExcelAug 7, 20182 votes

I feel for you because riot hates hybrid champs right now. I'm surprised Akali got to keep her AD ratios in her rework.

The only thing I can say is AP Ez is probably popular enough that riot is aware of it and some of his players like going AP. Unfortunately, this is the same riot that forgot that Poppy players would go AP and Evelynn players would go AD so you are completely at the whim of whoever is in charge of the rework.

HeimerLmaoAug 7, 20182 votes

Evelynn going ad had to go because of the change in playstyle. As a dedicated assasin she couldn't also have sustained ad damage (I think that was the Riot reasoning if I recall correctly). About ap Poppy: old Poppy was cancer. They changed her into something new, which finally worked. I don't mind the lack of ap scalings if the champion had changes this big. Something like the new Aatrox.

Yung Daemon SandAug 9, 20181 votes

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I feel for you because riot hates hybrid champs right now. I'm surprised Akali got to keep her AD ratios in her rework.

They've hated hybrid champs for some time now, think of how many of the reworks were of hybrid champs... start with Sion, go all the way down to Kayle

TheKingOfBichesAug 7, 20181 votes

Lol,I don't care about anything else other than ezreals iceborn build.the dude just sits behind and spams Q while slowing you and being a little tanky to ad. I just want that removed.that shit is cancerous if your playing an imobile melee

KaluchiiAug 7, 20181 votes

I don't want to hear it ap ezreal is the worst possible pick in so many moments.

Lux117Aug 8, 20181 votes

mna the Q is the main wepen of ez you cent ceinget ai am a main ez is super powerful but olsa very wick dependingon te situation

KindredAndWolfAug 11, 20181 votes

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My biggest fear as an ezreal main, is them touching his AP ratios and making him strickly an ad champion like they did to tristana. Ezreal having hybrid and ap burst builds is one of the reasons i started maining him. being able to adjust to any situation is always nice. our team is full ad ill just build ap bot an smack the enemy team, our team is mostly ap ill just build ad, they got divers ill just go gauntlet, they got tons of squishies ill just go full ap and 1 shot them all, or if i need to go triforce.

Well pray they don’t completely fuck you over the same way they did reworked Evelynn. Fuck whoever did her rework and PRAY he doesn’t touch Ezreal. “Hybrid champs are too hard to balance” they said, “let’s give her IRRESPONSIBLE ap ratios” they said. Now her kit is nothing but an ap ratio nerf away from the trash can. It’s such a shitty and lazy design that slight adjustments (nerfs) would destroy her. Make them hear you, that it is no acceptable to create this champ without hybrid ratios, or they will fuck him over, trust me they will if you don’t bitch hard enough.

igniteisfornoobsSep 26, 20181 votes

2 months later and they have gone and done it rest in peaces ap ez.

Its All SkillzzOct 14, 20181 votes

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2 months later and they have gone and done it rest in peaces ap ez.

I dunno, i like the new W from what i seen. also E now has no delay on the cast and targets champions hit by W. this pretty much ruined your aoe damage aspect but your single target burst is much stronger. new W allows you to take objectives after a won fight, something ezreal struggled with and also allows you to land your E in a duel or when kiting, no delay on it makes it a god like movement ability, if you mained ezreal for long time you know that .5 second cast on E was super fking annoying as youd always get hit by a CC and land cced an just get fked now you can dodge everything instantly. his W E all in in lane will be super strong as ap and all he lost was .1 ap ratio off Q for the massive ammount of QOL changes he got. also mana return on W giving back 10 more mana than it uses and also the cost was reduced to 50 mana from 90. the objective game an single target burst and reliability of your e landing in a duel mid, makes this ap ezreal much better than old one. also the new W punishes roamers, your basically ziggs you just ult wave an spam W AA on the enemy tower, if they leave your lane after 6 to go bot or something their tower is donezo. ive been away from league for a few months now cause i been having alot of fun with BFA but now that i see the rework didnt completely gut my play style an actually improved it, i am so looking forward to queuing up some games on league today after work.

La BelloAug 7, 201811 votes

Q applying on hits is probably one of the most broken things but its also the highlight of his entire character by this point. and it gives him the option of itemizing in a way completely unique to all other champions.

If ez Q ever really got out of hand they could just half the on-hit damage Q deals the same way Urgot W reduces on-hit effect damage.

ModKnightsKemplarAug 7, 20182 votes

This is the smart way to approach the conversation. Yes, ezreal has been one of the chief ruiners of certain items and keystones in the past, but that doesn't mean we need to lose his biggest selling point to fix it. There has to be a creative solution in the middle.

ﬂooAug 7, 20181 votes

He'd still be able to abuse Cleptomancy with his Q. Though right now nobody plays it anyway

Its All SkillzzAug 7, 20181 votes

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He'd still be able to abuse Cleptomancy with his Q. Though right now nobody plays it anyway

it takes 60 procs of kleptomancy or 3 sacks of gold rng to get the gold youd get from killing someone with broken ass electrocute, and i can tell you electrocute ap ezreal will erase you faster than any actual assassin, difference is he has counterplay as E can be eaten by minions/monsters/tanks and his W and Q are skillshots.

ﬂooAug 8, 20181 votes

He still gets potions/buffs from cleptomancy that could help him to get kills, in addition. Wont doubt that electrocute makes it easier

theChibiTinaAug 7, 20184 votes

But if they remove applies on hit effects then kleptomancy really will be nothing but a troll rune. There are so few champs that use it reliably and I love klepto. It's such a fun rune.

SukishooAug 7, 20184 votes

There are quite a few others champions that regularly use it.

Ok sure but whyAug 7, 20184 votes

The same way they destroyed Will of the Ancients simply because Vlad used it, before reworking Vlad anyways

Stars ShaperAug 7, 20184 votes

I also got a lot disappointed when Riot said nothing about this. It's been a major issue since pre-retcon era and it looks like they are fine with it. Yet god forbids AP items to be somehow powerful.

Sire HippingtonAug 7, 20184 votes

I'm mostly disgusted by how they want say "dramatically changing his abilities would be a disservice to one of League’s most iconic marksmen." just because he's an "extremely popular champion", while not haveing any scruple with basically deleteing lots of other champs just becuase they aren't as popular. They don't give a damn or show any respect to mains of not so popular champs...

Also, i really agree with you're fear, they don't want to piss off the EZ players so they will not adress his actuall problems that casue him to breake items and other stuff all the time, they also don't see the fact that he's basically meta in every single season with 30%+ pickrates at nearly all times as maybe a problem.... Also, seeing that they want to change his W, i really fear that AP ez will die...like so many other offbuilts did in the last years...

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 7, 20183 votes

Lucian abuses onhit all the time with his dumbass passive but noone's crying about that.

Gp has it as a click on but that's fine ofc.

But hey let's make ezreal have no way to build ad in a way that actually helps his kit.

Seer of MindAug 11, 20181 votes

? they're only changing his w

Jerry SeinfeIdAug 11, 20181 votes

read the op atleast...

OleandervineAug 7, 20183 votes

Here's the thing. His Q applies on hit effects just the same as Miss Fortune's Q. However, she's not breaking the game with her Q. Why is this then? What's so different about Miss Fortune's Q and Ezreal's Q that makes her a more balanced version of a spell applying on hit effects?

EDIT: Why is this down voted? This is a legitimate question. It's not an opinion whatsoever.

Done25Aug 7, 20186 votes

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Here's the thing. His Q applies on hit effects just the same as Miss Fortune's Q. However, she's not breaking the game with her Q. Why is this then? What's so different about Miss Fortune's Q and Ezreal's Q that makes her a more balanced version of a spell applying on hit effects?

Ezreal's Q as a longer range if MF doesn't bounce hers. Being a skill shot means he can shoot it into bushes or at people who are chasing him. Additionally, bouncing Q off minions uses up spellblade effects. That's why she can't use Kleptomancy.

Linna ExcelAug 7, 20181 votes

In addition to these things, Ezreal also rushes an early item 3004 so he can get the bonus of item 3042 . MF on the other hand has to manage her mana pool because she doesn't get muramune.

SEKAIAug 7, 20183 votes

Assuming if true, what's the point of reworking Ezreal without touching his Q, where 100% of his problem is at, lol?

DearPearAug 7, 20182 votes

But they said they're just going to change his W?

The Space CowboyAug 7, 20182 votes

+1 good point. I bet they give w some sort of cc. That’s my biggest fear.

Linna ExcelAug 8, 20181 votes

Yeah, with poke and mobility I wouldn't want him to have have CC in his kit.

ForFoxSakesAug 7, 20181 votes

His Q is what makes this champ unique and his identity otherwise he'll just be some generic skillshot caster adc

TetsipAug 7, 20181 votes

The only thing I wouldn't be pissed about them changing about ezreal is the way his W works. Through most of lane phase you're basically a two button champion because for some reason the W is more of an AP ability and isn't worth taking as AD until you've got two points in E. Everything else I really like about the champ and wish they'd jsut back tf off my backup adc. These reworks are getting ridiculous anyways.

The Yetii RiderAug 7, 20182 votes

If you read the champion roadmap, that's basically exactly their goal. They just want to revamp his W entirely.

Aram Mama Aug 7, 20181 votes

its literally only thing why i love ezreal its his Q. If they change that im out lol.

KaluchiiAug 7, 20181 votes

Where cani find this information, official info

Linna ExcelAug 8, 20181 votes

https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2018/08/champion-roadmap-august-2018/

Riot mentioned they are changing his W in his rework, but they didn't talk about anything else.

Seer of MindAug 8, 20181 votes

I play DH AP Ez mid, It sucks that they're changing his W which was his AP burst, I at least hope the new W has some kind of AP Ratio.

https://youtu.be/Q8AB-j6QuUE

Its All SkillzzAug 8, 20181 votes

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I play DH AP Ez mid, It sucks that they're changing his W which was his AP burst, I at least hope the new W has some kind of AP Ratio.

https://youtu.be/Q8AB-j6QuUE

i tried dark harvest, and its really hard to get decent stacks esp in mid lane, now electrocute is very good on ap ezreal.

Jackom1Aug 8, 20181 votes

They are still giving him a full VGU, so while they said that the W in praticular will change drastically, all his kit is infact on the table, I guess. We won't know the full extent of the changes until the rework is revealed, but before then, everything ability is getting a thorough inspection and will probably be modified as deemed appropriate.

Its All SkillzzAug 8, 20181 votes

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They are still giving him a full VGU, so while they said that the W in praticular will change drastically, all his kit is infact on the table, I guess. We won't know the full extent of the changes until the rework is revealed, but before then, everything ability is getting a thorough inspection and will probably be modified as deemed appropriate.

no only this W is being looked at, they said they dont wanna change anything else about him other than making his W more useful.

DakuDoubleAug 9, 20181 votes

Lol, the chance of them removing it, I'd basically 0. And are you stupid lol that's the only good thing in his kit, his auto attacks arent even that good, they would have to do a massive overhaul, which they said they didn't want to do. It's like you didnt even think ahead of what they would have to do.

Titanium70Aug 9, 20181 votes

I don't think there's a good way to remove his on-hit without fundamentaly changing his gameplay. And I don't think that would be a good idea. Ezreal is fun to play and usually fair to play against.

His Q working the way it does is a big reason for that since it changes his entire build.

BTW: I don't think Ezreal actually 'broke' Items. He just showed how busted this stuff truly was before others did. (With the exception of this JGL-Item I forgot how it was called. xD - That was entirely Ezreals fault. =P)

Giraffe LordAug 23, 20181 votes

I have to say I disagree with this whole heartedly. If you get rid of the item proc on his Q you might as well get rid of Ezreal all together. The fact that his Q procs things like sheen or shiv is what gives him his uniqueness, without it he becomes a bland champion. summoner 4 summoner 11

CeliaX2Sep 17, 20181 votes

The on hit effect is the funnest part to me I love activating my item 3100 item 3078 and item 3025 on my Q. I feel like that's his bread and butter right now.