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illaoi (a juggernaut) is doing as much damage as a poke mage-marskman (teemo)

MunchCrunchLunch·Jun 25, 2016·2 votes·526 views

what is this madness? doing more damage than donger dinger gangplank and teemo with just a black cleaver on average is just an astonishing feat for a melee champion. or just an ad champion in general. she does more damage than ad carries ffs.

https://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Top&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend

looks like everyone plat+ is one of those people that stay next to a juggernaut and expect not to take 1500 DAMAGE in 1.05 seconds by someone whos building 80% TANK . man why aren't they bronze i mean take all that logic. what is the last time you had 220 armor and were scared to die in less than 1.5 seconds in a 1v1 in a lane that isn't fed. are you stupid? always. don't even be in lane get a zz rot and try to grab some gold all the way from your fountain its not like you gonna push the lane again her at all anyway and not lose your turret first. remember when darius and garen chunked 85% of your hp at level 4 because you had the absolute rude and disrespectful will to go and grab a cannon minion. how dare you?

14 Comments

SaltyKrackaJun 25, 20163 votes

...You do realize that damage is just about all she has, right?

Yes, yes, E is annoying, but literally everything else she has is pure damage.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 25, 20161 votes

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...You do realize that damage is just about all she has, right?

Yes, yes, E is annoying, but literally everything else she has is pure damage.

so does like. every juggernaut? none of them kill me with 200+ armor in under 1.5 seconds.

" oh man she has only damage. lets insert a simulation of nuclear bomb testing into her abilities to balance her"

when your playing PVE because your opponent laner can't do jack shit to you. the jungler can't do jack shit to you. they can't even 2v1 you at any point of the laning phase. you don't need anything else.

SaltyKrackaJun 25, 20162 votes

Your topic is asking why she does more damage than Teemo, Gangplank, and Heimer.

This is because she has to, because they all have a fuckton of inbuilt utility that she doesn't have.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 25, 20161 votes

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Your topic is asking why she does more damage than Teemo, Gangplank, and Heimer.

This is because she has to, because they all have a fuckton of inbuilt utility that she doesn't have.

thats nonsense. its poor design. what utility does mordekaiser has. sure he does a lot of damage. but unlike her. he can't do any damage to you unless your in melee range. he doesn't have any ranged harass. his E is too short ranged and his base stats are low.

what is the last time garen did 1200 damage to you in under a second in lane. what utilty garen has that she doesnt? are you kidding me with your argument.

shes literally the only fucking juggernaut in the top of the list. I mean if you look at all types of champs. you see a trend. all fighters do similar damage. all poke champs do similar damage. all tanks do similar damage. all juggernauts (BUT tentacle henati princess) does similar damage.

every single juggernaut has single target damage. except her. and none of them even are as much of a nuke as her.

TehNACHOJun 25, 20162 votes

Just gonna throw this out there: the difference in range between Morde's E and Illaoi's tentacles is 125; the range of a melee auto attack. if you consider this a significant amount of range, well, have fun I guess.

Furthermore, I don't think Illaoi has the potential to do 1200 in one second without like a 5 man ult or something.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 25, 20161 votes

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Just gonna throw this out there: the difference in range between Morde's E and Illaoi's tentacles is 125; the range of a melee auto attack. if you consider this a significant amount of range, well, have fun I guess.

Furthermore, I don't think Illaoi has the potential to do 1200 in one second without like a 5 man ult or something.

no no. 1200 damage to one person in lane. as a 200 armor nasus. she did 1250 damage to me in around 1.2 seconds. 1200 ARMOR? she had the half component for black cleaver. HALF component. does she have 100% armor penetration as a passive and they forgot to add it for crying out loud?

this isn't about having utility to carry or win a game. zed's winrate is low and he still got nerfed. because of UNFUN. and FRSUTRATION. what is fun about going to hit a cs at the laning phase and losing over half my hp. she has an aa cancel gap closer. 3 ways to do ranged damage. passive q and E. and don't come with the bs that they are "skillshots" nobody every dodges every skill shots if so nobody would pick any skillshot champs in lcs because they are "Too good" to be hit by them unlike me a filthy casual.

TehNACHOJun 25, 20161 votes

1200 damage to you in under a second in lane.

Hmm.

1200 ARMOR?

Hmm.

Perhaps, you're not actually seeing things accurately for what they are.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 25, 20161 votes

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Hmm.

Hmm.

Perhaps, you're not actually seeing things accurately for what they are.

i meant 200 armor the 1 was a type error.

TehNACHOJun 25, 20161 votes

Now I'm confused how both the players were building if Nasus already has 200 armor by the time Illaoi apparently has only bought a Dirk.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 25, 20161 votes

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Now I'm confused how both the players were building if Nasus already has 200 armor by the time Illaoi apparently has only bought a Dirk.

dirk? black cleaver builds out of caufields and phage. you have no fucking idea what items even build out of.

end of discussion with you.

TehNACHOJun 25, 20162 votes

Ahh, you're right, my bad. They're both the same price so meh.

...Huh, those items would do even less damage, weird.

TehNACHOJun 25, 20162 votes

Sterak's is also pretty relevant, given her play style is one that likes to trigger the passive.

Her only output is damage. Unlike other champions who have defensive levers like Range or Disengage, or offensive levers like offensive dashes or initiation based CC, her only out really is either landing her E and hitting it really hard, or just hitting people really hard.

67chromeJun 25, 20161 votes

illaoi (a juggernaut) is doing as much damage as a poke mage-marskman (teemo) what is this madness?

Not really surprising.

I feel you're also trying to ply logic present in other fantasy games with very different gameplay to LoL.

In LoL, the main difference between fighters, assassins, mages, and marksman has nothing to do with damage output. For the majority of a game, they all burn each other at largely the same rate. Difference between these carry rolls lies within what they do to survive long enough to kill things. Juggernauts rely almost exclusively on Defense, all other fighters usually a mix of Defense and Speed, Assassins predominantly rely on Speed, Marksman usually a combination of Speed and Range, and Mages usually a heavy focus on Range with the occasional Range/Defense combo.

When it comes to Illaoi vs. Teemo, who does the most damage depends on who is the better player.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 25, 20161 votes

she has 1 type of damage. physical. and yet get all the armor in the fucking world and she will still nuke you to hell in a cpl seconds and outsustain you.

why does she have sustain if she has that much damage.

what is this stupid argument. what is the other output of shyvanna garen darius or a million other champions. none of them nuke multiple people with just 1 damage item. and sustained damage too she doesn't have a window where shes weak after the faster tentacle changes she doesn't need her ultimate to duel someone.

i mean darius window of power is his passive and even then he needs resets on single targets.

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