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It really sucks that people are winning games because of champions and not skill

Bultz··17 votes·5,633 views

Too many champions just offer too much damage or their kit is gives them too much for their role or they never fall off late game and have good early game. Like let me run riot for 1 week and i'll clear this shit up and bring back league to what it should be. Champions like Jax, irelia, lee sin, and shen are currently doing too much damage. Champions like Malphite and tahm are doing too much damage for their class, tanks should tank. Juggernauts should not be allowed to be a class, that is why top is a shit hole. Pyke has been toxic for months and I said he was and got flamed for it and now everyone sees it. All this just leads to champions winning games and not the players. I had a Kayle troll in my game last night who feed on purpose just so she could show off and comeback to win it in minutes. Like this game needs developers who care a little more about the game and a little less about their pockets.

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lilpokfluf35 votes

Shen?

BlackKnightJack2 votes

I think he's letting Shen get free Qs on him and doesn't like that he's losing duels because of it.

WoonStruck5 votes

Shen auto-attacking isn't always avoidable.

That tends to be the point of auto attacks.

LeoX2 votes

Uh, what he’s saying is avoiding the empowered q where shen’s sword comes to him and gives him extra damage on autos is easy to avoid. Which it is.

Of course shen can auto people that’s not what he’s talking about lol.

Soul Dealer2 votes

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Uh, what he’s saying is avoiding the empowered q where shen’s sword comes to him and gives him extra damage on autos is easy to avoid. Which it is.

Of course shen can auto people that’s not what he’s talking about lol.

It can be flashed, dashed and spell shields stop it. Yes it will hit a lot of the time but it can still be avoided and if you don’t bunch up you are only hitting one person which is not good enough.

WoonStruck3 votes

Uhh...yeah. Actually getting hit by the spirit blade only increases the damage by 2% HP per auto.

The damage he gets without it hitting is still enough to trade hard.

BlackKnightJack1 votes

It increases it by 3% of the target's max health at all ranks. Look at the specs of the ability again.

Fluffi Kitti2 votes

hacing to pick a champion with a dash or spell shield is toxic as hell, having to blow a summoner spell every fight with shen is toxic as hell too. Here, let me dodge his 6 second cooldown q with my 5 minute cooldown flash that I probably need for disengage.

BlackKnightJack1 votes

You don't even need to always dodge it. Like any other melee character he can be poked to the point where you have enough of a health advantage that he can't beat you even if he tries to all in you.

WoonStruck2 votes

He still deals 2% HP more damage per auto if he hits with spirit blade. It barely increases the damage relative to the normal bonus damage he automatically gets.

forist2 votes

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He still deals 2% HP more damage per auto if he hits with spirit blade. It barely increases the damage relative to the normal bonus damage he automatically gets.

I think you are casually forgetting the 50% atk speed bonus shen gets when his q travels through an enemy. There is also the 2 second slow his q applies to enemy champions to consider.

WoonStruck2 votes

Just because its stronger when Q travels through an enemy doesnt change that its baseline is still extremely strong.

forist2 votes

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Just because its stronger when Q travels through an enemy doesnt change that its baseline is still extremely strong.

Fair enough. It's just my own personal opinion, but I can't take anyone who thinks shen is too strong seriously in regards to champion balance.

WoonStruck2 votes

Fair. I dont think hes too strong, just saying that theres nothing to avoid his Q trading, just his empowered Q trading, which youll be taking if he uses E anyway.

forist2 votes

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Fair. I dont think hes too strong, just saying that theres nothing to avoid his Q trading, just his empowered Q trading, which youll be taking if he uses E anyway.

Yasuo's windwall is probably the only way to avoid shen's empowered q autos, other than walking away or ccing him of course.

edit: also braum's unbreakable. those are the only two abilities that will prevent shen from getting his q bonus.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

No it's not. 2% without an attack speed steroid is low enough that dueling champions can still beat the shit out of him.

BlackKnightJack1 votes

He's also forgetting that the 2% is increased to 5% in the early game if the sword hits. I've faced enough Shens to know the difference between his hits when he does land the sword through you and when he doesn't.

Bultz3 votes

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Shen?

Random I know, but shen building titanic and then pure tank after that is way to strong for his damage output.

BlackKnightJack3 votes

Only if you let him land his Q like a moron. His Q isn't even that hard to dodge either. If he's beating you in lane then you kinda deserve to lose.

Fluffi Kitti4 votes

you can't "dodge" the damage from his q. His q only slows you if you got hit by it and run away from him, regardless of whether it hit you though, it amplifies his attacks. Do your research first you toxic f word.

BlackKnightJack1 votes

Perhaps you should read the specs on his Q again. He deals more than twice as much damage with it if he hits you with the blade as he's calling it. He even gets 50% added attack speed for those 3 attacks which had apparently escaped my attention.

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Shen

church arson3 votes

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Shen?

he does deal a lot of damage for the unkillable monster he is

BlackKnightJack1 votes

Not really. You just have to not let him have free roam to position around you as he pleases.

Febos5 votes

Winning solely because of champion pick only works in low MMR or against bad players in general.

GodlyBane3 votes

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Winning solely because of champion pick only works in low MMR or against bad players in general.

Your getting downvoted but youre right

Febos3 votes

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Your getting downvoted but youre right

I'm being downvoted by his bot accounts. It doesn't bother me.

If having a counter pick won any match automatically, any Iron player could beat a Challenger player. The fact it doesn't happen it proof enough that champion pick isn't everything there is to it.

The same can be said about players in the same rank. If player A counter-picks player B, but doesn't know how to use the champion, all it takes is for player B to know how to use his own champion. Even worse if someone picks a champion just because it's meta.

Wosó5 votes

Your entire post history can be summarized as "buff Yasuo, nerf AP damage, nerf juggernauts, and nerf Shaco." If anyone let you run riot for 1 week, Yasuo would have a global pentakill at lvl 1, be unable to be banned, and have 10 skins for every event.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

Really? I was kinda joking based on the fact that he has 1.6m points in Yasuo and is coincidentally complaining about champions that have an advantage against Yasuo early. Is his post history really him wanting to make Yasuo an unkillable death machine at all stages of the game regardless of skill level?

boricCentaur14 votes

Proof or fuck off. Like you lose to these champions because you can't play vs them. I can easily beat a bad irelia and ESPECIALLY A BAD LEE SIN like lee sin is fucking horrible if you're bad with him. Like you saying juggernauts should not be a class really shows you just want easily games not skill in games.

Annie,jax,tryn,garen, mundo,and panth these are champions that someone can do well even if they're bad but most of them still can be beaten or just suck.

Fluffi Kitti3 votes

what about when they're around your skill level? you can't beat them then. (picking toxic champs to counter toxic champs is kind of a buzzkill buddy)

BlackKnightJack1 votes

Juggernauts have counters just like everyone else. If the Teemo is good then the Darius will have to at least go even with him or stack resistances until he can outscale him in lane.

boricCentaur13 votes

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what about when they're around your skill level? you can't beat them then. (picking toxic champs to counter toxic champs is kind of a buzzkill buddy)

THEN YOU BEAT THEM. They're not op and all can be beaten. Like you make no fucking sense there is counter play to them they're not you just win champions. Like pyke dodge his abilities then cc him and he is dead, lee sin falls off pretty hard and is needs to hit q to do stuff, most tops can just burst down irelia without much trouble she does sustain damage not burst.

Like learn the game. If two people are equal skill almost all those champions listed will lose since most of them are just snowball champs like pyke and jax.

I'm sorry but the only people that say they lose because of a champion pick or a champion is a free win just want the game to be easy without any counter play.

Even annie has counter play and she is more unintrractive then all those champions.

U R Good At Game1 votes

Junglers are different. Part of the issue is it's not just you. I permaban lee sin. Why? Because it doesn't matter if I don't die to him because my bot lane is going to feed him like red cross. Lee sin only falls off when the announcer isn't screeching "an ally has been slain" every 5 seconds. Every lee just runs from bot to mid to bot to mid 5 times and it repeatedly works for no reason. You can deep ward his path and track him all the way to the lane and he will still kill your laners. Unless you pick a champ that is objectively stronger than him in a fight,

Bultz1 votes

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Proof or fuck off. Like you lose to these champions because you can't play vs them. I can easily beat a bad irelia and ESPECIALLY A BAD LEE SIN like lee sin is fucking horrible if you're bad with him. Like you saying juggernauts should not be a class really shows you just want easily games not skill in games.

Annie,jax,tryn,garen, mundo,and panth these are champions that someone can do well even if they're bad but most of them still can be beaten or just suck.

I can't vs them because they are out of their class and empowered to a breaking point. You can beat a bad Irelia? I can shoot a dead horse too.. Juggernauts are toxic and shouldn't exist. That was the same problem Tank Yasuo was. He had to much damage and couldn't die. That goes for them as well. All the champions you listened, except maybe annie, are toxic.

BlackKnightJack3 votes

If you can't beat Darius in lane as Yasuo then the problem is you and not Darius. I've lost to Yasuo in lane before because those Yasuo players were actually good. You're just not as good with your main as you think you are.

Bultz1 votes

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If you can't beat Darius in lane as Yasuo then the problem is you and not Darius. I've lost to Yasuo in lane before because those Yasuo players were actually good. You're just not as good with your main as you think you are.

Stop bring fucking Yasuo into this ffs. Stop trying to make this about me. It's not fucking baout me. You can't nad will not cover up the fact that top laners, mostly juggernauts are broken.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

Actually I can because they're not. A juggernaut's lack of mobility is a glaring weakness. A VERY glaring weakness. If you can't play around it then that is your fault and not Riot's.

BlackKnightJack3 votes

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Like let me run riot for 1 week and i'll clear this shit up and bring back league to what it should be.

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Juggernauts should not be allowed to be a class

See, this is why no one takes you seriously. Your idea of League being run properly is for Yasuo to be invincible. It's ironic, but you're whining because YOU don't want to develop skill and want to coast on your favorite champion being OP.

WoonStruck4 votes

Juggernauts shouldn't be a class though.

No class should win when behind just because you're in range of them. Yet, this tends to happen with the juggernaut class.

All of them need to be reimagined from the ground up, along with a bunch of other outliers in this game.

Bultz1 votes

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Juggernauts shouldn't be a class though.

No class should win when behind just because you're in range of them. Yet, this tends to happen with the juggernaut class.

All of them need to be reimagined from the ground up, along with a bunch of other outliers in this game.

You are correct. He is a Darius main so he wants it to be kept broken, but being 1 block away shouldn't mean instant death.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

He's not as broken as you think he is. He still has a lot of glaring weaknesses especially compared to other juggernauts. Your inability to fight a Darius in lane or in the mid game is not justification for nerfing him to oblivion now that he's actually in the meta again after god knows how long.

Bultz1 votes

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He's not as broken as you think he is. He still has a lot of glaring weaknesses especially compared to other juggernauts. Your inability to fight a Darius in lane or in the mid game is not justification for nerfing him to oblivion now that he's actually in the meta again after god knows how long.

I don't need him nerfed, I need him balanced.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

He is balanced. You just suck if you can't beat him as Yasuo.

Soul Dealer5 votes

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See, this is why no one takes you seriously. Your idea of League being run properly is for Yasuo to be invincible. It's ironic, but you're whining because YOU don't want to develop skill and want to coast on your favorite champion being OP.

To be fair juggernauts should not exist.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

You're a Jax main. I know Darius is not so much of a problem for you that you can't beat the shit out of him late game.

Fluffi Kitti3 votes

you're ACTUALLY a toxic darius main LMAO

Bultz1 votes

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See, this is why no one takes you seriously. Your idea of League being run properly is for Yasuo to be invincible. It's ironic, but you're whining because YOU don't want to develop skill and want to coast on your favorite champion being OP.

You see, your biased doesn't weaken my argument. It's not about my main being invincible, it's about the balance of the game. As far as Yasuo is concerned, i have not brought him up once so stop bullshitting. Your a toxic Darius man clearly. Top lane is currently a pool of disgust and broken champions. it has been for ages. You have no point.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

You literally told everyone here you want juggernauts removed from the game which would make sense as Yasuo struggles against them during laning phase. You can't pull the wool over my eyes.

Bultz1 votes

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You literally told everyone here you want juggernauts removed from the game which would make sense as Yasuo struggles against them during laning phase. You can't pull the wool over my eyes.

Yeah..No. Stop making shit up. It has nothing to do with Yasuo. You clearly a biased Darius main. Juggernauts are toxic. No champion in the game should build black cleaver, then just pure tank items and get pentas. No champion should instantly kill anyone 1 step away. No one should be able to have massive defense and still kill anyone with ease. It's why Top lane is a shit show.

BlackKnightJack2 votes

Your dumb ass does understand that Darius not only doesn't buy Cleaver anymore, but also needs Sterak's for damage, right?

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