I just had to dodge my own series because someone picked Blitz mid into Heim

Great Muta·Nov 8, 2015·8 votes·3,084 views

Won my first series game. Next game, I get a twitch who in his last 20 games as twitch is 3-17. Now this game. Our first pick wants to do Fiora mid. Thankfully 2nd pick and I talk him out of this, when their mid pick becomes Heim.I'm third pick and take support. 4th pick starts to grab Blitz. I told him I'm support. So he locks in Blitz mid vs heimerdinger. Had to dodge. It's no fair that I had to throw my own series just to avoid a troll pick. I worked really hard and spent a lot of time to get to series and I get a slap in the face for it. Even more fun, I skipped something else to play today to try to get promoted. Then I get this. This should be reportable and bannable.

123 Comments

IronwallJacksonNov 8, 201512 votes

You insist that you're in the right about dodging, but please explain why. Explain why you turned a probable loss into a guaranteed one. It's shitty that you had a likely troll pick, but if you're in your promos, why wouldn't you take a gamble instead of an automatic failure?

Great MutaNov 8, 20155 votes

MMR > LP

Dodge = lose lp, lose no mmr Lose = lose lp, lose mmr, likely get quite angry, waste my time, probably get a report for flaming blitz MMR = the higher it is, the more lp you gain.

MMR > LP

Drive By MaxNov 8, 20158 votes

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MMR > LP

Dodge = lose lp, lose no mmr Lose = lose lp, lose mmr, likely get quite angry, waste my time, probably get a report for flaming blitz MMR = the higher it is, the more lp you gain.

MMR > LP

In the long run it is. One game won't ruin it at all. It doesn't drop hundreds of feet down into a black hole because of one loss. You being a negative player and probably not trying to push yourself gets you that 300 mmr that you have.

LauchmelderNov 8, 20154 votes

Yea, because every unconventional pick is losing for sure.

Open minded > Narrow minded.

Great MutaNov 8, 20154 votes

It's not like I have a 60% Jayce mid winrate or a 53% Heim bot winrate or a 57% Kayle winrate....definitely narrow minded!

Sona PingNov 8, 20156 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9M7XvpsP,comment-id=0007000000010000,timestamp=2015-11-08T17:02:48.668+0000)

It's not like I have a 60% Jayce mid winrate or a 53% Heim bot winrate or a 57% Kayle winrate....definitely narrow minded!

There is an irony here that we all should appreciate; that Great Muta is here complaining about how anyone daring to make a "troll pick" in his games should be immediately banned when he plays Heim bot and proudly states it.

SasogwaNov 8, 20159 votes

You don't have to dodge. Also matchups don't mean anything in bronze 5. People have such a low level of skill that the matchups don't go as they should at all. You're intolerant as f* and you're way too focused on how bad your teammates are going to perform. In this league, it's up to you exclusively. You can 1v9 there, just train, watch videos to understand how this game is played and progress.

Great MutaNov 8, 20155 votes

You will gamble blitz mid vs heim in your own series? I want to see this.

DisulfiramNov 8, 20152 votes

"Gamble"? After looking up his AP scaling, I'm actually thinking about trying this out myself when/if I'm in the right mood and get the chance. XD

EDIT: And reading the comments, it seems I'm not the only one. :D

(Blitz's Q+Ulti alone does 800+200% AP damage... that's pretty good, especially if you consider just how much CC Blitz brings with that damage. For reference, Lux's Q-E-R combo does 1000+205% AP)

Great MutaNov 8, 20152 votes

Let's try it in your series game sometime man.

Remember, Blitz is going to have to get gold to get items. Where's he getting all that gold from? The 30 CS per 10 min he might be able to get? The kills that heimer will surely not stay behind turrets or minions to allow him to get?

Everyone here is also relying on that heimer to be awful. We have a user saying a diamond 3 heimer main is going to lose to a blitz.

darkmatchwaldoNov 8, 20152 votes

it's bronze 5 dude....the heimer probably is awful

Great MutaNov 8, 20152 votes

So by that mindset, the Blitz would be ?

darkmatchwaldoNov 8, 20151 votes

Also awful, so who knows what could happen lol

Great MutaNov 8, 20151 votes

Yep, but I'll take Heim.

SasogwaNov 8, 20154 votes

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You will gamble blitz mid vs heim in your own series? I want to see this.

I'm not bronze 5, I'm diamond 3. I have MMR to lose, you don't. Also blitz vs heimer in d3 plays how it's supposed to play. It absolutely doesn't in b5, because people there don't know how to play the matchups properly

Great MutaNov 8, 20152 votes

I'm in Bronze 5. You are telling me to do this and then are saying it's not going to work. Make up your mind.

SasogwaNov 8, 20151 votes

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I'm in Bronze 5. You are telling me to do this and then are saying it's not going to work. Make up your mind.

Blitz vs Heimer is not going to work in diamond 3. You have no clue how it's going to work out in bronze 5. In any case, you should carry that game, no matter who your fucking mid is and who your opponent mid is, BECAUSE you're in b5 and your opponents suck.

Great MutaNov 8, 20151 votes

Let's try Blitz mid in your next ranked game then if it's such a money pick. I'll be waiting. No one has taken me up on my offer yet.

SasogwaNov 8, 20152 votes

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Let's try Blitz mid in your next ranked game then if it's such a money pick. I'll be waiting. No one has taken me up on my offer yet.

You're not even reading what I'm saying, you're pathetic.

Great MutaNov 8, 20151 votes

I'm saying put your money where your mouth is, or stay out. Let me know when you're going to blitz mid in a series game and I'll record it for everyone.

AnomanderNov 8, 20152 votes

He literally cannot duo que ranked with you. The game will not let him. Even if he could what happens in bronze is nothing like ANY OTHER TIER.

SasogwaNov 8, 20152 votes

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I'm saying put your money where your mouth is, or stay out. Let me know when you're going to blitz mid in a series game and I'll record it for everyone.

get me a bronze 5 account in EUW, I'll do it anyday

Great MutaNov 8, 20151 votes

Come over to NA.

SasogwaNov 8, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9M7XvpsP,comment-id=00010000000100010000000000010001,timestamp=2015-11-08T20:38:25.285+0000)

Come over to NA.

Boring, 200 flat ping. Might do it another day tho, right now I'm playing with friends.

PuddytatNov 8, 20157 votes

I could join the others in arguing why Blitzcrank might have worked, or why you might have won even if he lost his lane, but that's beside the point. At the end of the day, you made the choice to turn what you thought was a loss into a definite loss. Nobody pressed that button other than you. Dodging a promo game equals a loss, you knew that and you decided to dodge anyway.

Learn to live with the consequences of your actions.

Miku Hime samaNov 8, 20155 votes

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Learn to live with the consequences of your actions.

You mean the consequences of other peoples' actions. If I beg them in champ select to not troll, but they ignore me and choose to do so, I'm being punished for their actions. I did all I can, I tried to communicate. Unfortunately, Rito refuses to put any kind of system in place to prevent people from intentionally trolling in champ select.

Then, it feels like no matter how many players I'm forced to report, there's almost guaranteed to be more next game. Player behavior is not improving, it's declining. Rito's policies are failing.

NarsicusNov 8, 20154 votes

I have to wonder when I see statements like this what certain people even consider 'trolling'. Is picking a champion that you don't approve of really trolling these days? God forbid someone likes and is good with a champion in a role you are not familiar with. Better report that guy for not picking what is considered good at the pro level even though this is silver.

Btw, if you really do report people that often for such minor things it is likely that the value of your reports has dropped to 0 and they are simply being ignored.

Miku Hime samaNov 8, 20154 votes

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I have to wonder when I see statements like this what certain people even consider 'trolling'. Is picking a champion that you don't approve of really trolling these days? God forbid someone likes and is good with a champion in a role you are not familiar with. Better report that guy for not picking what is considered good at the pro level even though this is silver.

Btw, if you really do report people that often for such minor things it is likely that the value of your reports has dropped to 0 and they are simply being ignored.

It seems there's a wide gap in what I'm saying and you think I'm saying. Obviously playing an unpopular champ isn't the same as trolling, that's not at all what I'm suggesting. Lock in Varus ADC? Shaco jungle? Taric Support? Yes I'll cringe, yes I'll go in expecting them to perform badly, but I just bite my lip and hope they know how to make best of the situation.

What I referred to are the most extreme cases: Snowman or Disco Nunu; Clarity + Clairvoyance on anyone; Sona; et cetera. These are all blatant signs of a toxic teammate that is intentionally trying to make you lose and Rito isn't doing anything to fix this.

Drive By MaxNov 8, 20157 votes

It's not the fact that it's blitz mid. It's blitz mid against heim.

If blitz pulls heim, heim typically dies, due to the fact he has very few turrets with him. That's how. Blitz has a surprisingly large amount of damage with support items. Mid he gets more gold and can buy damage items. Heim is squishy af. Heim will die quickly. I can easily see how heim loses that lane. But you decided to be the douchebag that dodges and takes a guarenteed loss over a chance at losing. There's a few reasons you're where you are at, and this is one of them.

Great MutaNov 8, 20152 votes

How's blitz going to get all of those items? He won't get the cs, he won't get assists, he's going to have to get kills. Where's that gold going to come from?

NarsicusNov 8, 20153 votes

Blitz will get the money by csing at tower just like most other people that lane against heimerdinger. You make it sound like trying to lane against a good pusher is just an automatic afk at base or something.

Additionally since he is already at tower it makes jungle ganks especially strong (and Heim doesn't have any escapes) and if he ever lands a hook it is an auto kill.

I am not saying it is a strong match up or anything, but giving up before the game even starts is just such misplay. There are so many things that could have turned that game, or any game, into a win but because you decided it was a lost cause you nipped that potential victory in the bud before it had the change to begin.

xJLx MCHammerNov 8, 20156 votes

I don't get it In series, if you dodge, it is considered a loss. Why not just let him play it and see where it goes. In bronze 5, Janna mid works.

Great MutaNov 8, 20156 votes

So you will gamble Blitz mid vs Heim in your series? I think not.

Loli LuluNov 8, 20156 votes

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So you will gamble Blitz mid vs Heim in your series? I think not.

If you dodge, you 100% lose the game. If you play, there's still at least a chance you can win.

And as others have said, matchups don't mean anything in lower levels of play due to skill level of all players there. Who knows, maybe one lucky hook will win you the game. Or you can pray someone on enemy team disconnects.

If you're Plat 1 90+ LP, then I'd definitely say to dodge. But you're Bronze 5 in series. There's literally nothing to lose except maybe 20 minutes of your time for at least a chance to win.

That said, the Blitz was definitely in the wrong. You could always report him for lack of communication. Season 6 this shouldn't be a problem anymore at least!

ModAttysu The PoroNov 8, 20151 votes

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If you dodge, you 100% lose the game. If you play, there's still at least a chance you can win.

And as others have said, matchups don't mean anything in lower levels of play due to skill level of all players there. Who knows, maybe one lucky hook will win you the game. Or you can pray someone on enemy team disconnects.

If you're Plat 1 90+ LP, then I'd definitely say to dodge. But you're Bronze 5 in series. There's literally nothing to lose except maybe 20 minutes of your time for at least a chance to win.

That said, the Blitz was definitely in the wrong. You could always report him for lack of communication. Season 6 this shouldn't be a problem anymore at least!

This has NOTHING to do with the discussion, but OMIGOSH THE LULU FEK ICON ;-;

xJLx MCHammerNov 8, 20159 votes

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So you will gamble Blitz mid vs Heim in your series? I think not.

You don't gamble! If you dodge, it's considered a loss. So yes you try it out

venomous frostNov 8, 20154 votes

why care about mmr loss or lp when the only thing you should want is to improve your gameplay, even more so in bronze 5

Great MutaNov 8, 20153 votes

Why play ranked if you don't care about your division, lp or mmr?

venomous frostNov 8, 20151 votes

because by improving yourself as a player, you will eventually climb the ladder, and nobody plays serious in normals.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 8, 20154 votes

I used to have a Velkoz top in one of my series long time ago, and unlike you, I didn't bother to dodge. I put my trust & faith into people like him. Velkoz top considered troll? Sure. But I rather have a game with a 50/50 chance of winning instead of taking the latter option with the 100% chance of losing.

So to conclude, no, the Blitzcrank does not deserve a single report out of it. If he were picking Blitz only to intentional feed & such, then that's reportable.

Oh btw, we won that game which contains the Velkoz top. Sucks to be you for being a sissy.

darapier17Nov 8, 20153 votes

actually, looking at blitz's kit vs heimer's, it is possible for him to rek heimer as his q can get heimer out of his turrets and knockup>silence him and kill him [zombie-brand-clap]

Great MutaNov 8, 20153 votes

To do this:

Blitz has to hit every pull. He can't hit minions or a Heim turret. Either one puts him on 10+ second cooldown.
Blitz has to pull him into the turret. That means #1 can't happen. It also means he will have to do this multiple times.
Blitz has to buy multiple mana potions or a mana regen item or else he will be out of mana within 3 pulls.

Drive By MaxNov 8, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Great Muta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9M7XvpsP,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2015-11-08T16:20:12.942+0000)

To do this:

Blitz has to hit every pull. He can't hit minions or a Heim turret. Either one puts him on 10+ second cooldown.

Blitz has to pull him into the turret. That means #1 can't happen. It also means he will have to do this multiple times.

Blitz has to buy multiple mana potions or a mana regen item or else he will be out of mana within 3 pulls.

1: He just has to get one, and it isn't hard to land them at your level.

2: No he doesn't, blitz does a lot of damage by himself if built correctly

3: He most likely will buy mana/mana regen, seeing as he does scale with mana a little bit.

Your scenarios are extremely poor.

SpoofghoulNov 8, 20154 votes

Lol that number 1 statement goes both ways tho. Players may suck at dodging skillshots, but they are just as bad at landing them.

SpoofghoulNov 8, 20153 votes

You do realize that Heimer can keep 1 turret in his pocked and use it to block Blitz grab, its really easy. Also heimer pushes so hard hell have a wall of minions to sit behind.

It is every unlikely Blitz will ever grab Heimer in a 1v1 lane.

xJLx MCHammerNov 8, 20152 votes

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You do realize that Heimer can keep 1 turret in his pocked and use it to block Blitz grab, its really easy. Also heimer pushes so hard hell have a wall of minions to sit behind.

It is every unlikely Blitz will ever grab Heimer in a 1v1 lane.

This is bronze 5. Cs at 50 min is like 100

SpoofghoulNov 8, 20154 votes

I do which means Blitz will land 1 in 100 hooks and Heimer still autopushes lane with his turrets. It will be more of a lucky Blitzgrab nets him a kill game.

darkmatchwaldoNov 8, 20151 votes

Until the jungler comes up from behind the insanely pushed wave

Pika310Nov 8, 20153 votes

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Until the jungler comes up from behind the insanely pushed wave

...and then what? Walks into a stun while tanking 4 turrets and some missiles? I've seen countless Heimerdingers get a double kill from that exact scenario and sometimes even come out alive.

OhBoyItsaMegamanNov 8, 20153 votes

It's Bronze V. You think the laning phase matters? 10 minutes into the game, Blitz and Heim will both have 28 cs and all 10 players will be in mid lane. You just dodged a promo game for no real reason.