These itemization changes are supposed to be at marksmen

Bultz·May 7, 2018·1 votes·1,085 views

Literally only Yasuo and maybe trynd will be affected. Marksmen are not going to be hurt nearly as much as a Yasuo. Marksmen shouldn’t counter Yasuo, Meddler. Idc if you believe they should. This was supposed to be a marksmen nerf, not a Yasuo nerf. Yasuo is at a 50% winrate. You literally shat on his entire build. Marksmen have been an issue for seasons. Not one. Many. Clearly item changes aren’t what you should be doing. You’ve done it to how many items? How many items have you reworked instead of nerfing the champions. Mages just got a bigger nerf than marksman. Seriously. Nerf the champions already, not Yasuo.

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VerxintMay 7, 20182 votes

I don't see the problem.. Yas can go IE+Zeal item or two Zeal items for 100% crit and then get stormrazor and a bunch of AD.

BultzMay 7, 20181 votes

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I don't see the problem.. Yas can go IE+Zeal item or two Zeal items for 100% crit and then get stormrazor and a bunch of AD.

His damage is way too significantly down, all his items are now absolutely cost inaffective, his core items have been destroyed basically. Stormrazor will be shit since skirmishers dependably on autos and having to be out of combat for 2 seconds for its passive to proc means he can’t affectivly use conquerors. Etc etc.

VerxintMay 7, 20181 votes

His damage is down as much as anyone else who uses crit, the new IE will be just as good on anyone who has armor. His core PD is still fine, it's just 200g more expensive, that won't ruin him. Stormrazor gives attack speed and more attack speed and movespeed when you crit, that's going to be great on Yasuo since that buff has no cooldown, and he'll still have just as much synergy with conq as before.

BultzMay 8, 20181 votes

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His damage is down as much as anyone else who uses crit, the new IE will be just as good on anyone who has armor. His core PD is still fine, it's just 200g more expensive, that won't ruin him. Stormrazor gives attack speed and more attack speed and movespeed when you crit, that's going to be great on Yasuo since that buff has no cooldown, and he'll still have just as much synergy with conq as before.

In exchange for being squishy he gets to have massive damage. That’s why his shield is easily proct by any auto attack and he has barely any mr or armor.As it was Yasuo barely kept up in terms of damage with other skirmishers and champions in general. His double crit, which was supposed to give his insane damage, riot fucked and only gave him equal or less damage than most. 200 more gold is 200 more gold. That a win and a loss right there. Again Stormrazor s passive wont be affective on Yasuo since he would have to stop attacking. Conquerors runs in autos. Do the math.

VerxintMay 8, 20182 votes

Yasuo does less damage than most Skirmishers because he has crazy mobility in the right circumstances and a lot of CC. He still has a shitload of damage. And as far as squishy goes, you're ignoring the buffs to GA and Maw. His double crit is only wasting 20%, it's not fucked over. Buy two crit items and he's at 100%, same as before.

And I suggest you actually understand what Stormrazor does before you keep commenting on it.

BultzMay 8, 20181 votes

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Yasuo does less damage than most Skirmishers because he has crazy mobility in the right circumstances and a lot of CC. He still has a shitload of damage. And as far as squishy goes, you're ignoring the buffs to GA and Maw. His double crit is only wasting 20%, it's not fucked over. Buy two crit items and he's at 100%, same as before.

And I suggest you actually understand what Stormrazor does before you keep commenting on it.

Yasuo is supposed to do more damage. Idk where you got this idea that he is supposed to do less. Also Yasuo has conditional cc which is easy done away with by qss. Do you know how much 20% less damage is? I don’t think you do.

Cost of items have gone up on all zeal items, nerf Items reworked, nerf Have to build full Ie to have max crit, big ass nerf

Yasuo isn’t the target of these nerfs, it’s supposed to be at marksmen. Not Yasuo. Yasuo will suffer while marksmen just work their way over to the next thing they can abuse.

Also Stormrazor needs you to be out of combat to proc, meaning it’s refresh is useless on Yasuo. If Yasuo stops fighting like that he will die. The second passive might be affective, but not as much as it will be on others.

VerxintMay 8, 20184 votes

you gotta work on your reading comprehension

Yasuo does less damage than other skirmishers (such as Yi, Fiora..) because of the potential AoE CC he has. He does a lot of damage because skirmishers do a lot of damage, but within his class he's on the lower end of damage output.

You don't have to build IE to have max crit, in fact, it's totally optional now. I already said this but I'm beginning to suspect you don't read things. Zeal items are 30% crit. Two Zeal items will give him 100%, as will one Zeal item and one IE. The IE is for breaking down beefy teams with the true damage.

And let's try one more time: have you actually looked at stormrazor on the PBE? Because I don't think you have. Here I'll just show you

+55 Attack Damage +25% Attack Speed UNIQUE Passive: If you haven't attacked in the last 2 seconds, your next basic attack will critically strike. UNIQUE Passive: When you critically strike, gain 35% attack speed and 8% movement speed for 1.5 seconds.

Let's see if you can figure out how this might benefit someone with 100% crit. Which btw, the proc you talk about needing to wait for is irrelevant if you have 100% crit, so I don't know why you keep arguing that he can't spend 2.5s not attacking.

BultzMay 9, 20181 votes

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you gotta work on your reading comprehension

Yasuo does less damage than other skirmishers (such as Yi, Fiora..) because of the potential AoE CC he has. He does a lot of damage because skirmishers do a lot of damage, but within his class he's on the lower end of damage output.

It's like your blind deaf and dumb. The only Skirmisher without hard cc is Yi. Like wtf do you mean? And no he is supposed to be on the damn higher end hence the damn crit passive. He is meant to be a glass canon.

You don't have to build IE to have max crit, in fact, it's totally optional now. I already said this but I'm beginning to suspect you don't read things. Zeal items are 30% crit. Two Zeal items will give him 100%, as will one Zeal item and one IE. The IE is for breaking down beefy teams with the true damage.

Of fucking course you have to build ie. Yasuo can't build multiple zeal items at first, his damage output would be zero. With Ie only giving crit after fully building it that cripples Yasuo. Are you seriously trying to pretend to know Yasuo better than someone with 1.5million exp invested in him?

And let's try one more time: have you actually looked at stormrazor on the PBE? Because I don't think you have. Here I'll just show you

+55 Attack Damage +25% Attack Speed UNIQUE Passive: If you haven't attacked in the last 2 seconds, your next basic attack will critically strike. UNIQUE Passive: When you critically strike, gain 35% attack speed and 8% movement speed for 1.5 seconds.

Let's see if you can figure out how this might benefit someone with 100% crit. Which btw, the proc you talk about needing to wait for is irrelevant if you have 100% crit, so I don't know why you keep arguing that he can't spend 2.5s not attacking.

I don't think you understand how irrelevant this item is for Yasuo. A) You build it before IE meaning you don't get full crit chance and buying this before IE is just plain stupid. B) You buy it after and end up without buying something more valuable such as life steal. Greaves and PD make up all the ms and as Yasuo needs, this item is a joke on him unless you build it like 5th or 6th item, even then there are better choice. SO no shut up you don't seem to understand.

VerxintMay 10, 20182 votes

Fiora Jax Riven Tryndamere Yasuo Kayn MasterYi have no hard CC Fiora has a conditional hard CC Riven and Jax have hard CC that require them to be in melee range Kayn has reliable ranged hard CC in one form Yasuo has reliable ranged hard CC on the lowest potential cooldown, plus another hard CC ability that serves as a gapcloser.

Let me try this again Skirmishers are a high damage subclass, that is their intention. Relative to the rest of the roster, they have some of the best damage output aside from certain Marksmen. Yasuo has the most hard CC available within the skirmisher class. No other skirmisher has the same amount of CC as him. Yasuo has the lowest raw potential damage WITHIN THE SKIRMISHER CLASS This DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS LOW DAMAGE He is THE LOWEST IN HIS CLASS Which is a VERY HIGH DAMAGE CLASS Meaning he still has very high damage output_RELATIVE TO REST OF THE ROSTER_ But low damage output RELATIVE TO HIS OWN CLASS This is because he has the highest potential CC output WITHIN HIS OWN CLASS

The reason IE isn't necessary is because it no longer has the bonus crit damage. It's meant to be an item to boost damage to durable targets. If Yasuo is against a squishy team, he can simply opt for a different choice of AD item. And even if he does build IE and a Zeal item, it's the same as before except a bit more expensive. Yes, this is a nerf, but it's not "trashing his build". The point is that IE is no longer essential for crit builds, it's a more situational item.

Obviously building it before IE is stupid. It would be a later purchase on him. And not a core, but an option. After his choice of two crit items, choose from item 3812 item 3072 item 3074 item 3139 item 3156 item 3026 or Stormrazor for additional AD and a bonus effect of your choice, or throw in item 3022 or item 3053 a purely defensive item (this might amaze you but sometimes durability is better than more damage). Stormrazor gives him AD and a crapload of attack speed (which is never bad on autoattack melee DPS), plus movespeed (also never bad). It's an option, along with all the others, to adapt your build to the game.

His build is not trashed. He still builds 2 items for 100% crit and he has a few more choices. He's still going to be insanely strong lategame. The only real nerf is that his two core items cost a bit more gold, because Crit items were simply too cheap for what they offered. One of the things this was trying to address was lategame crit champions, such as Yasuo, coming online earlier than they deserve. Yasuo should be a champion who either snowballs a gold lead (not likely against competent players) or farms up and scales. He shouldn't be powerful with just one or two items.

BultzMay 10, 20181 votes

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have no hard CC

Trynd has a slow.

has a conditional hard CC

Every type of cc here is fucking conditional. Stop bullshiting.

and have hard CC that require them to be in melee range

Both have dashes and gap closers ffs

has reliable ranged hard CC in one form

He has plenty of shit.

has reliable ranged hard CC on the lowest potential cooldown, plus another hard CC ability that serves as a gapcloser.

Super conditional based on being close enough to actually hit someone or something, two times, provided you can land the skillshot, then have to decide if it's not to actually go in with r or not. Stop fucking making it sound like it's such easy work for him and no one else.

Lets try not to fucking bullshiot out our asses okay?

Let me try this again Skirmishers are a high damage subclass, that is their intention. Relative to the rest of the roster, they have some of the best damage output aside from certain Marksmen. Yasuo has the most hard CC available within the skirmisher class. No other skirmisher has the same amount of CC as him.

Thats a fucking lie, riven literally stuns you while shielding herself and dashing around. Stop fkign making shit up.

Yasuo has the lowest raw potential damage WITHIN THE SKIRMISHER CLASS This DOES NOT MEAN HE HAS LOW DAMAGE He is THE LOWEST IN HIS CLASS Which is a VERY HIGH DAMAGE CLASS

Yasuo = scaling = most damage.

Meaning he still has very high damage output_RELATIVE TO REST OF THE ROSTER_ But low damage output RELATIVE TO HIS OWN CLASS This is because he has the highest potential CC output WITHIN HIS OWN CLASS

The reason IE isn't necessary is because it no longer has the bonus crit damage. It's meant to be an item to boost damage to durable targets. If Yasuo is against a squishy team, he can simply opt for a different choice of AD item. And even if he does build IE and a Zeal item, it's the same as before except a bit more expensive. Yes, this is a nerf, but it's not "trashing his build". The point is that IE is no longer essential for crit builds, it's a more situational item.

It's completely trashing his build? It's his second item. The most important one.

Obviously building it before IE is stupid. It would be a later purchase on him. And not a core, but an option. After his choice of two crit items, choose from or Stormrazor for additional AD and a bonus effect of your choice, or throw in or a purely defensive item (this might amaze you but sometimes durability is better than more damage). Stormrazor gives him AD and a crapload of attack speed (which is never bad on autoattack melee DPS), plus movespeed (also never bad). It's an option, along with all the others, to adapt your build to the game.

His build is not trashed. He still builds 2 items for 100% crit and he has a few more choices. He's still going to be insanely strong lategame. The only real nerf is that his two core items cost a bit more gold, because Crit items were simply too cheap for what they offered. One of the things this was trying to address was lategame crit champions, such as Yasuo, coming online earlier than they deserve. Yasuo should be a champion who either snowballs a gold lead (not likely against competent players) or farms up and scales. He shouldn't be powerful with just one or two items.

Man your so delusional wooow. just wow.