Zoe is just as cancerous as old Nidalee. Why was her kit released?

Rαy··6 votes·1,777 views

Few seasons ago Nidalee's only job was to land skillshots with ridiculous range/width which would reduce your health bar by 50-70%. It was toxic as hell. Everyone knew it and Riot finally got rid of it.

Zoe does the same with her benefit being the ability to pinpoint her enemies with her own (also ridiculous) CC and finishing the job with a low-risk empowered autoattack. Why is this okay?

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Who Fed Ru5 votes

"just as cancerous"

minimum 10 times worse

ModWulf Helhammer3 votes

Does Zoe have a heal along with top tier mobility?

Kai Guy3 votes

YES Clearly so.... with her W... when she gets a high # chain of summoner 7 item 3107 summoner 6 summoner 4 drops in a small area she can collect and use them all in.....Otherwise no, shes also much more broadcast then old nid, has a audio tell on her ability's to give you a heads up, small hit box, subpar mobility under pressure sans SS and the occasional W, oh and her Q does not have a bug where its invisible when fired from fog of war for a few moments.

Old nid was way worse then zoe ever has been, zoes wave clear was one of the more oppressive parts of her kit and its gone now so that's nice. Teammates can easily protect folks from zoe in fights with a good ol fasion body block, shame that a lot wont. Shes annoying but comparing her to the old nid is nothing.

Zoe can be frustrating still yet that being said, neither Zoe or Old nid hold a candle to how annoying the Old AP sion and AP trist builds used to be. Any of you youngsters out there truly want to talk about 1 shots or 100 to 0 with no counter play?

Rαy2 votes

[{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9EVkuEqA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-06T22:50:29.427+0000)

Does Zoe have a heal along with top tier mobility?

Nah. Only one thousand Summoner Spells per game, even more range, a 9 second cooldown sorta mobility ultimate and a screen-wide across-walls hard CC.

My bad. Totally balanced.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Maybe if you don’t wildly exaggerate what Zoe does, you’ll realize how to play against her and the problems with your argument.

I find Zoe annoying to play against too.

But to call her the same as old Nidalee is massively disingenuous.

Rαy1 votes

[{quoted}](name= Król Wilk Sam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9EVkuEqA,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-06-07T16:31:28.312+0000)

Maybe if you don’t wildly exaggerate what Zoe does, you’ll realize how to play against her and the problems with your argument.

I find Zoe annoying to play against too.

But to call her the same as old Nidalee is massively disingenuous.

I do not agree. And sure, she's quite easily caught out and it's not that I lose vs the majority of Zoes or do not know what to do about her. I am just criticising her rather frustrating kit. If she lands her E on you while you're not surrounded by smart/tanky team mates (and let's be straight, team mates mostly neither are smart or tanky), you just die for getting hit by a skillshot which is not dodgeable if thrown over a big wall.

That part of her, which is exactly like old Nidalee worked, I do not enjoy. One hit by a long-ranged skillshot and you're done for. Dead or forced to back for taking a fast-travelling, spammable, low-cost/cd skillshot.

I really despise the whole point of 'hurr durr learn how to play against her'. I'm not crying about losing to her. I'm winning vs most Yasuos - but I will still complain about non-fun champion designs.

DODGEORLOSE2 votes

It was way worse before the nerfs.

Leto GT2 votes

At least nidalee wouldn't stun you from the other side of the map.I believe her kit makes her very hard to nerf without making her completely useless at the same time. I don't think her kit is healthy personally but she's there and we have to deal with it! What I really don't understand is her W. I mean, collecting summoners, redemption and smites? Just why?

Malix Farwin2 votes

[{quoted}](name=wG Got2Cool,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9EVkuEqA,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-06-07T00:38:34.974+0000)

At least nidalee wouldn't stun you from the other side of the map. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Yea she would just Q you from there and 1 shot you all the while jumping away with high movement speed and the ability to jump through walls and obstacles. Why stun you when she could just outright 1 shot you. If you manage to even dmg her she would just heal up not mention her being decently tanky because she bought item 3065 to increase her healing. I think people completely forgot old nidaleee and are just using her as a crutch for their crappy argument.

Rαy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9EVkuEqA,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-06-07T00:43:29.165+0000)

Yea she would just Q you from there and 1 shot you all the while jumping away with high movement speed and the ability to jump through walls and obstacles. Why stun you when she could just outright 1 shot you. If you manage to even dmg her she would just heal up not mention her being decently tanky because she bought item 3065 to increase her healing. I think people completely forgot old nidaleee and are just using her as a crutch for their crappy argument.

Nope, I used to play her a lot back in the days. And it seems you actually forgot she couldn't even follow up her spears. That marking passive and her long-range jumps didn't exist. She was all about spears and heals. Her cougar spells were pretty useless despite pouncing for speed/escapes and waveclear.

Zoe is just as, imo even more toxic than this.

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