You think Nasus slow is crazy? Have you seen kha zix lately?

taleofsonata·Sep 29, 2018·45 votes·14,477 views

E, W undodgeable aoe 90% slow... Yea Ok I'm done with this game until this guy is fixed again...

PS: The more slow you add in the game the lower winrate will be.

34 Comments

My Waifu VanillaSep 29, 201831 votes

Was an 80% slow and no one cared. The difference between 80% and 90% is next to zero since you hit so many movement speed soft caps. It might be 5 ms.

VoraciousXSep 29, 201814 votes

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Was an 80% slow and no one cared. The difference between 80% and 90% is next to zero since you hit so many movement speed soft caps. It might be 5 ms.

With duskblade he slows you again. I don't think people worry too much about Kha's slow because generally he's right up on you and one shotting you. However I will say that shit's crippling since I saw a Kha'zix literally go phase rush on Kha'zix and still kill me easily. I assumed it was only because he was ahead but he had done it 4 games before that and got fed every time. They buffed the guy too much.

Spank the FoxSep 29, 20186 votes

Sometimes I wonder if you guys even look up the champion you’re complaining about.

His passive has and always applied a slow and is better than a .25 second Duskblade slow.

Why are you only just complaining about it now?

LeetriSep 29, 20187 votes

They're just looking for any reason to call him a BS champion to get him nerfed. Just look at Jhin, people called him the most balanced and well designed champion for years and now that he's really, really good with Stormrazor his design is suddenly terrible and deserves to be gutted.

Death RexSep 29, 20186 votes

I mean, he was balanced until the point where his weakness (his immobility) vanished thanks to all the movementspeed he gets

SleepcomaSep 30, 20181 votes

That's hail of blades though, not stormrazor.

VoraciousXSep 30, 20181 votes

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Sometimes I wonder if you guys even look up the champion you’re complaining about.

His passive has and always applied a slow and is better than a .25 second Duskblade slow.

Why are you only just complaining about it now?

Again, no one ever noticed probably because he one shots them if he ever is able to slow them with it, or they get away due to him using it from a long range and him being unable to follow up, OR they're usually in groups, where it's a 60% slow. I said myself that I barely noticed the slow until I saw a friggin Phase Rush Khazix go around doing extremely well(carrying even) despite not having electrocute or dark harvest to the point where he wasn't killing me with rotation when I went tankier.

Noor SakataSep 29, 20181 votes

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Was an 80% slow and no one cared. The difference between 80% and 90% is next to zero since you hit so many movement speed soft caps. It might be 5 ms.

Of course we will care now ! it was 80% slow on a 2.50% pick rate champion that we barely even see so we can't even complain about him, I hated facing him even before the buffs , now it's 90% with damage buffs and we see him every match, what do you expect?

yay nibbersSep 29, 201820 votes

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E, W undodgeable aoe 90% slow...

What is this shit making it sound worse than it actually is? AOE slow? It only slows by 90% if you're isolated. AOE doesn't matter in that situation. Not to mention it has to be evolved to get the slow in the first place. Get out of here with this BS.

Mecha IncognitoSep 29, 20182 votes

People are making out the slow is worse than it is on isolated targets (it was already 80% percent, you weren't going anywhere in the first place), but it being AoE does matter even on isolated targets because it means it's harder to dodge.

Why they added damage to his passive and buffed the non-isolated slow is worth complaining about. But is a bigger number so people seem to see that first.

Sire HippingtonSep 29, 20182 votes

The way the 3 projectiles spread out means he can hit multiple isolated targets though. anyway, the slow already was 80% befor the buff, so it's wierd to complain now then it's hardly different to befor.

The increase from 40 to 60% on the non isolated slow however does make quite some difference...

MonstermushmushSep 29, 201820 votes

It only slows 90% when isolated, so AOE doesn't matter. But his problem is his damage scaling buff on his passive, not a 10% increase on a slow.

DarukongSrSep 29, 20183 votes

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It only slows 90% when isolated, so AOE doesn't matter. But his problem is his damage scaling buff on his passive, not a 10% increase on a slow.

Actually, technically it does matter but it also makes it harder to miss in a 1v1. Also, his non isolated sliw got buffed too, I think.

mzicioSep 30, 20181 votes

Nope, it only explodes if it connects. So it doesn't matter at all.

GallSep 29, 201812 votes

Zilean did someone say slow?

Moon MomSep 29, 20185 votes

This is a joke lol. Placebo buff from 80 to 90 percent. don't act like you notice a difference.

Seer of MindSep 30, 20181 votes

a whole 10% difference, and another 90% slow from duskblade. 80% is considerably less than 90%. numbers mean everything in a game like this, sorry that you don't understand.

Moon MomSep 30, 20181 votes

Slows don't stack.

Also, as a side note, if you're hit with an 80 percent slow you won't be able to dodge or evade what comes next more than likely - considering the duration of it. That is why there isn't a difference between 80 and 90. It doesn't make any difference to the actual gameplay vs kha.

Seer of MindSep 30, 20181 votes

... you wont be able to dodge whats coming next. thats why its stupid, you can try to flash over a wall but when he jumps over the wall with E you'll still be slow as hell and as soon as he auto's you (assuming that the slow from w is over) you're slowed again. leaving you open to anyone else who decides to come and kill you.

Moon MomOct 1, 20181 votes

Ok, lets do some math then.

ALL CALCULATIONS ASSUMING TIER 2 boots with 335 base ms (the average of most champs)

335+45 (tier 2 boots) = 380

Lets multiply 380 by 80 and 90 percent, then subtract that amount from the above values.

380* 80% = 304 MS removed.

380-304 = 76

380* 90% = 342 MS removed

380-342 = 38 MS

You aren't going to dodge anything with 38 extra MS. The slow lasts for two full seconds. if you are caught out alone by khazix you are going to die regardless.

Also, why would you flash a wall when he has E available. The argument simply doesn't make sense I'm sorry.

xxxDogmanxxxSep 29, 20184 votes

But Mordekaiser has a 51% winrate? https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Mordekaiser/

Noor SakataSep 29, 20183 votes

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But Mordekaiser has a 51% winrate? https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Mordekaiser/

Yes in Gold Elo where he stomps everyone because they don't even know what his abilities are , including me , Morde has always been a free way to plat because of that , but when it comes to higher elos , you can't even judge , the champion got his winrate only from his 1 tricks , people who actually mastered their champion and barely maintaining that 51% winrate

BladeSteelSep 29, 20183 votes

The website specifically says plat+, not gold

xxxDogmanxxxSep 29, 20185 votes

What are you even talking about? The site specifically says 51.45% average win rate in plat plus. In diamond plus, it's even higher at 52.64% winrate and his one tricks have 54.65% win rate. https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Mordekaiser/

D357R0Y3RSep 29, 20181 votes

because he takes phase rush and doesn't give a fuck about slows

KFCeytronSep 29, 20183 votes

Are we forgetting about Wither's attack speed slow?

ŠhαcoSep 29, 20183 votes

nasus has a stupid atack speed slow tho -_-

HammermancerSep 29, 20181 votes

Nasus Tryndamere bot lane?

Recon1212Sep 29, 20183 votes

Well the thing with Nasus is it lasts for fucking ever, not to mention it lowers atk speed too, so its a fucking double ass pounding.

FragglerocSep 29, 20182 votes

there are so many things wrong with this game... I don't even know where to begin...

ValiantKillerSep 29, 20182 votes

MonkeyKing was the problem only cause he can one shot and cc, now look at Khazix one shot and slowing everyone.

TuckingFypoTsuSep 29, 20181 votes

Morde community be like. Just take phase rush hurrrr. Ok, what happens when it goes on cooldown and nausus's wither/kha's slow/any champs CC is back off cooldown : ^) Just fucking remove his W xp passive already and give his Q, W, E, anything, a slow or movespeed steroid.

MarothennanSep 29, 20181 votes

While I'm not gonna try to defend the Kha buffs as I too think they were bullshit, you pretty much pointed out the difference between Nasus W and Kha W, that Kha would need to jump in with his e right next to you to guarantee he hits it, while Nasus only has to point it at you