Why are Mages allowed to be better at assassination than Assassins?

Scazie·1/16/2017, 12:03:07 PM·18 votes·1,879 views

Burst mages such as Syndra, Veigar, Brand and Lux can pop you like a grape from the safety of their backline (the latter can do so from like ten screens away). Clean, 100'd, Syndra doesn't even need to land a skillshot to do it. Control Mages can do the same, while also CCing the rest of your team and possessing an obnoxious amount of utility (AND OFTEN HEALTH) that makes them very safe. Orianna, Anivia, Viktor and etc. Meanwhile Assassin's who have to dive into melee range aren't allowed to 100-0 you because toxic, no counterplay, how is it fair that I die because I miss my CC and stepped out of position?!?

I mean people were always bitching about Rengar because 'dying to him was unfair, there's too small of a reaction window for it to feel like you can make a meaningful impact', but how is getting Instagibbed by a SUPPORT Brand camping in a bush, or a Syndra who's stacked her seven Dark Dragon balls of Death and flash-wished me dead any different? I mean if you hit me with the ward argument for Brand I'ma just clap back with the Pink Ward argument. Oh, and talk about interactive when Lux can just throw out Q's from over a screen away until one finally sticks, and when it does, you're dead. Meanwhile Nidalee, who functioned on a similar principle but had to at least dive in for the kill and possesses no CC and not as much utility was gutted. (Yes, I understand that the 'real reason' for her nerfs was because of how dominant she was in pro-play and very high elo, where she could exert obnoxious amounts of pressure. But lets be honest, the vast majority of people bitching about her fit into neither category, they just didn't like the idea of an assassin styled jungler being dominant.)

Then, to make it worse, they don't even need to be fed to do this shit. They just need to farm, or in the case of some cough Brand cough, not even that is necessary.

39 Comments

Liofa1/16/2017, 1:17:30 PM14 votes

Who the fuck are you even talking about, Rengar LB Kat and Khazix are broken as fuck right now. Veigar sucks dick, you want to play Veigar go ahead. Syndra's an assassin. Brand needs to land 3 skills before he can even hope to burst you down. Lux, as you said, is a burst mage. What do you want a burst mage that has to land skillshots to do, not kill you when they land their skill shots? You want burst mages to tank?

This meme is as retarded as the adc durr 2017 meme.

DoktorKaiser1/16/2017, 1:12:27 PM10 votes

It has been repeated 100 times. THEY. HAVE. NO. MOBILITY. FFS !!!

Chalizard1/16/2017, 12:15:58 PM8 votes

How about why tanks are better in killing People than assassins? That bothers me more. And if you think it is not True than you probably have never played against new rengar with half tanky items half damage items and over 1000 raw damage from his Basic attack after ultimate.

Maximum Morde1/16/2017, 1:01:01 PM8 votes

Because assassins are supposed to kill ou when ur vulnerable, not when ur 100% healthy.

Jaygo411/16/2017, 3:07:44 PM5 votes

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Meanwhile Nidalee, who functioned on a similar principle but had to at least dive in for the kill and possesses no CC and not as much utility was gutted. (Yes, I understand that the 'real reason' for her nerfs was because of how dominant she was in pro-play and very high elo, where she could exert obnoxious amounts of pressure. But lets be honest, the vast majority of people bitching about her fit into neither category, they just didn't like the idea of an assassin styled jungler being dominant.)

NOPE sorry you were doing well until RIGHT HERE.

It had NOTHING to do with assassin junglers. Kha jungle, Lee jungle, and even Diana jungle is just not nearly as toxic to play against. I happened to have played in the bracket where she becomes extremely annoying, which is plat+. Understand that just because there's a problem with a champion SO MUCH SO that it dictates strictly mid-high elo play doesn't minimize that problem. It's just as important if not more important than Yi rampaging through bronze. Additionally they've stated that the game is balanced around Diamond 5-4, specifically the area she was raining terror on.

She was a MACHINE of low risk, high reward pressure that always kept the enemy jungler on edge. What are you gonna do, stop her? She's gonna dodge whatever skillshot you have or jump over a wall to get away for no cost.

Jungle Nidalee is in the group of things that should never have existed in League of Legends. She was an utter abomination and an unbalanceable nightmare that ruined jungling in pro play for far, far too long. Good fucking riddance.

dominusx1/16/2017, 12:08:06 PM2 votes

because they are mages. just like adcs ar adcs they need to kill everything in their sight instantly. but when something needs to OUTPLAY you to kill you. you know it's broken aka most assasins except cancer fizz and leb

TequilaZombie1/16/2017, 12:17:02 PM1 votes

In theory? Because assassins have an easier time getting to their targets and the class is never asking itself "CAN I get in range of that squishy Ashe?" and is rather asking "SHOULD I get in range of that juicy Ashe?".

The first question is asked by burst mages. If they can get in range, the Ashe is dead, if they can't, she lives. Assassin on the other hand know that they can reach Ashe whenever they want, but there are plenty of moments when they shouldn't do it and only a select few moments in which they should.

However, they still have one big ass problem: the moment that they should get up and close now is when the ADC is alone, at low-ish health (70% or less) AND with their mobility/CC on CD. Let's not even bring flash and heal into account. Why is that the case? Because of the REAL reason why Assassins are getting a hard time:

Carries are expected to build full glass cannon and survive on their own. Not only carries can out burst some Assassins now (if you doubt it, try to 1v1 a Jinx, a Draven, or a Vayne as AD Shaco or Talon without a massive lead), but they can actually lifesteal enough yo go right back to their days if you fail to kill them.

SlaktarTasken1/16/2017, 5:51:38 PM1 votes

Thank abundant cdr, even if you do dogde all of these mages skillshots, they'll have more chances before you have a snowballs chance in hell to catch up to them and punish them (big nono, not allowed). Mage mains will cry even while cc-locking and nuking entire teams to oblivion with their machinegun aoe spells. Nothing new here, moving on.

Memeguel4201/16/2017, 9:18:36 PM1 votes

Someone better than assassins with range and CC... sounds like Jayce

Nameless Voice1/16/2017, 9:35:28 PM1 votes

The comments about Lux's ranges in terms of screen distance make me think that you play the game zoomed in all the way.