Relic Shield ADC the New Meta

ForFoxSakes·Sep 20, 2017·31 votes·6,924 views

Lots of top players and pros in the Korean ladder are opening with on ADCs with their support going .

This lets the ADC tech to items faster with the passive gold generation, 150g extra to open with more pots or refillable, even more sustain with item proc heal in lane as they're using the charges on cooldown as they just CS all while giving the support more gold with the shared CS.

The support gets the relic shield proc income on top of the coin income, which lets them rush to the OP even faster.

Non support mages usually in mid using got that item nerfed to be heavily punished while CSing. They going to nerf as well? This would put even further ahead on the support item pick?

69 Comments

RexxieeSep 20, 201726 votes

Its almost like riot made support items so broken that adcs want to make it so their supports can get the ardent faster while starting with another support item.

Lmao, wtf has this balance team done to the game, bring morello back he would have never let such atrocity happen.

RainfallSep 20, 201712 votes

Riot tried to break the support role so that more good players pick support,then they ruined everything by making janna the best support in the game,janna is probably the least attractive support to any player who respects themselves.

Mighty MorteinSep 21, 20172 votes

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Riot tried to break the support role so that more good players pick support,then they ruined everything by making janna the best support in the game,janna is probably the least attractive support to any player who respects themselves.

I find Janna to be dreadfully boring to play. Shield your carry, ult/q any potential threats, w if you're chasing with an ADC. On paper, it's a simplistic kit.

I prefer Thresh much more than Janna.

MarshbouySep 20, 20175 votes

People bitched so hard about supports being the worst class in the game... now this starts happening.

LMAO.

AirKingNeoSep 20, 20172 votes

basically

XeroKimoSep 21, 20171 votes

I mean I doubt anyone who bitched about supports being bad doesn't want this kind of support meta happening.

Pretty sure they just want both enchanters, and tank supports to be viable pick, and not just thresh and ap supports (fk them when they're meta) being meta

RankOneUgandaSep 21, 20171 votes

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Its almost like riot made support items so broken that adcs want to make it so their supports can get the ardent faster while starting with another support item.

Lmao, wtf has this balance team done to the game, bring morello back he would have never let such atrocity happen.

#BringMorelloBack

Asayake 5150glowSep 20, 20179 votes

Tbh we could just make it melee only and keep most of the effectiveness. If it's a problem, that is.

AhrisSep 20, 20178 votes

thresh can't use it anymore.

ForFoxSakesSep 20, 20174 votes

The execute effect is melee only but if you last hit CS with it the charge and gold share is still activated

Chembaron YamadaSep 20, 201717 votes

Read what Ahris replied to. That guy was suggesting to make relic melee only.

This would mean Thresh can't use it anymore.

CaveslothSep 20, 20175 votes

Would that be such a bad thing? Thresh has so much going for him I can't say I'd feel bad for him.

Chembaron YamadaSep 20, 20173 votes

I don't have a problem with that change, just clearing up what this is about since it seemed like they talked past one another.

Could work to make it melee only. Or maybe they could code it that way that you can't receive gold from 2 support item effects?

Meaning: If you collect a gold coin, you are not able to receive gold from a relic shield procc for x seconds.

CaveslothSep 20, 20171 votes

Perhaps but that'd eliminate some fun off meta stuff as well (Tried Garen/Mord botlane with double relic, was quite fun).

Ariel the CruelSep 21, 20172 votes

I remember when relic came out and people started trying to run duo-top with it. So Riot nerfed it to ensure jungling remained a viable strategy. (>_>)

Need Gold 4 TentSep 21, 20171 votes

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Perhaps but that'd eliminate some fun off meta stuff as well (Tried Garen/Mord botlane with double relic, was quite fun).

how would that work anyway? out of curiosity. Morde has no way to get in range, and Garen doesn't help him do so. And both of them have mobility problems against the kitey kitey range bot lane.

CaveslothSep 21, 20171 votes

This is low elo, NOBODY knows how to kite.

Supreme Senpai69Sep 21, 20171 votes

Might be the nerf Thresh needs. He's in a really, really good spot right now. Making him have to pick coin instead of FotM might be a gentle tap to his winrate to force him back down a bit.

It would suck to remove options though. Like, I'll go Relic on Rakan sometimes. It's just nice to have the option

SkorchSep 21, 20171 votes

but doesnt the boards collectively say that coin is the strongest support item? So would this hurt his winrate or not?

PoskeSep 21, 20171 votes

it could only increase it since he is better of with coin anyway collecting coins and souls... rather then roaming

KloqdqSep 21, 20171 votes

I'd argue it hurts him a lot more. Thresh has shit base stats and the HP is pretty big early game.

PoskeSep 21, 20171 votes

thresh is better of with coin anyway

Coin build into MS items and ms is cruical for his hooks

He also gets more gold and never has mana problems

Only reason people build targon on him is beacuse they are bad / its reccomended

AhrisSep 21, 20171 votes

I just liked the extra tankiness from relic. Even on rakan i liked going relic because of the tankiness it provides.

DragonSheaSep 20, 20177 votes

One: make Relic Shield Melee only.

Two: Turn Rakan and Thresh into semi melee, allowing them to proc it but not gain benefits from other ranged items.

ForFoxSakesSep 21, 20172 votes

Wonder if there's a code that determines range and melee, since some champs seem to have higher melee range than others, just make Thresh & Rakan have a large melee range?

DragonSheaSep 21, 20172 votes

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Wonder if there's a code that determines range and melee, since some champs seem to have higher melee range than others, just make Thresh & Rakan have a large melee range?

why not

Ariel the CruelSep 21, 20171 votes

It's a range threshold if I recall correctly.

MLDzXnRRRSep 21, 20172 votes

Wow, Thresh is 450, Rakan is 300. Both are ranged. Melees are 125 to 175 (but many of them have abilties that extend an attack to 200-250 etc)

ClementineSep 21, 20171 votes

Rakan and Thresh don't need any sort of buffs lol

SkorchSep 21, 20171 votes

How is changing the coding to use an item a buff?

I dont see them using ravenous items any time soon, and even then being coded as range would make runnans much better if you are going off meta anyways.

ClementineSep 21, 20171 votes

If Thresh/Rakan could use Relic they'd need nerfs elsewhere, because it'd make them stronger

SkorchSep 21, 20171 votes

Isnt Coin seen as really good? if anything the items arent that far different in balance. They probably wouldnt need changes at all. It would just be another option if they so choose.

ClementineSep 22, 20171 votes

Coin gives no survivability or hp (or hp regen for your ad). Relic is infinitely stronger early, coin just generates more gold.

SkorchSep 22, 20171 votes

So there are upsides and downsides to both? So i ask again, why does this mean that they would need nerfs because of this?

OleandervineSep 20, 20174 votes

Relic Shield by itself isn't a problem and never has been for years. It remained mostly unchanged when it was updated with the shield mission. It doesn't need nerfs at all.

The reason ADC Relic is a thing now is a byproduct of shields/Ardent being OP, and Janna being a beast. Once Janna/Shielding/Ardent have their nerfs roll through, I think ADCs will stop taking Relic, as it genuinely hampers their general damage output, and without Ardent to supplement it, they'll stop using it.

Mister SupportSep 21, 20174 votes

Better idea than the melee only people are tossing around. If you've killed a minion without a relic stack going off, the charge time will pause for 10 seconds. Boom, makes having it on CS champs undesirable and needs no changes to Thresh/Rakan.

SkorchSep 21, 20171 votes

This is actually a really good idea.

AhrisSep 20, 20172 votes

Been doing it a while Lol. Sometimes hard to cs because no extra ad which sometimes makes me want to get dorans blade lol.

Also relic shield gives a passive+active shield. This counters burst mages really hard.

Champion SkinSep 20, 20171 votes

Also relic shield gives a passive+active shield. This counters burst mages really hard.

+350 gold item 3302 +500 gold item 3097 +100 hp +more shared gold (-10 seconds recharge) +shield when stacked +1350 gold item 3401 +10% CDR +275 HP +active shield

item 3401 just isn't generally worth the gold cost for ADC's so they should probably just stick to item 3097 for the increased gold sharing and the passive shield so they probably won't have the active shield

BeatzBoyFTWSep 20, 20171 votes

How many times does these idiotic people constantly abused these items up to the point where they're in need of nerfs?

And people still ask why Support lane feels shitty nowadays...

AhrisSep 20, 201710 votes

support is one of strongest role this patch though

RainfallSep 20, 20176 votes

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support is one of strongest roles this season though

i fixed it for you

AleksaTeemoSep 20, 20175 votes

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support is the strongest role this patch fixed it for you

XenomancersSep 20, 20171 votes

As a bot lane main I am seeing this a lot and I would say it's not any good. You will lose almost as much gold as this item steals from you because you can't last hit as good. It get's more gold into the supports hands faster BUT it doesn't matter. Ardent doesn't auto win the lane anyways. You should consider that kills are the fastest way to get gold quickly So lowering your kill power to give the support some extra gold makes no sense. I guess if you are in a soraka lane with twitch it's okay - wouldn't say it's problematic.

All SkillzzSep 20, 20172 votes

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As a bot lane main I am seeing this a lot and I would say it's not any good. You will lose almost as much gold as this item steals from you because you can't last hit as good. It get's more gold into the supports hands faster BUT it doesn't matter. Ardent doesn't auto win the lane anyways. You should consider that kills are the fastest way to get gold quickly So lowering your kill power to give the support some extra gold makes no sense. I guess if you are in a soraka lane with twitch it's okay - wouldn't say it's problematic.

if you cant last hit then you are bad. most ap players have almost no bonus ad an i play ap ez alot with no ad runes i can last hit under tower or cs just fine.

XenomancersSep 20, 20172 votes

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if you cant last hit then you are bad. most ap players have almost no bonus ad an i play ap ez alot with no ad runes i can last hit under tower or cs just fine.

Yeah they can CS just fine - but they miss some CS because they don't have enough damage to kill a cannon before a tower hit or minion agro changes. Things that are out of your control sometimes. Plus - most AP solo laners have a combo to farm with that works every time.

Champion SkinSep 20, 20171 votes

What AP solo laners can combo down waves early game? Yes they can do it later on in the game but at that point ADC's would also probably already have at least item 1038 / item 1037 / item 3133 (it builds into ER) so then ADC's should be able to last hit just fine even if they started with item 3302

jadelinkSep 21, 20171 votes

And AP ez is easy compared to say, Swain, or Karthus, at least his aa particle doesn't stop for coffee breaks on its way to the minions.

ForFoxSakesSep 20, 20172 votes

If you cant last hit because you have a relic shield instead of a dorans item open then that's on you, not because the combo doesnt work

Akuma No KitsuneJan 17, 20181 votes

The Relic Shield ADC meta is still going partially due to the fleet footwork, overshield concept in the new Runes Reforged. It makes playing AD easier while still giving the support shared gold and better gold generation for the AD. It's stupid.