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Shyvana's W (Burnout)

Embertine··5 votes·728 views

I've played Shyvana since mid season 2, and she was actually the very first champion I purchased. I'm not sure I like the nerf to her W. Riot stated that it was to compensate for her use of the devourer, but I don't even use that item really. I've tried it before, but it just didn't fit with how I play.

With the original one, I've gotten more than 150 magic damage on hit with it the first time I've tried it. But after a while I dumped it as it was too time consuming to build it's damage up. I've also tried the new version, thinking that it's ability to double on hit effects every other hit would be awesome on shyvana. Turns out that the devourer still doesn't fit me well and I just ended up reverting back to my trusted items and saw improvements right off the bat.

To tell the truth Shyvana only needs a jungling item until late game about 30 mins in at most. After that it's better to switch it out for another item. I don't even upgrade my jungle item with an enchant. I just leave it at the stage it gives me a better smite. Then after I've filled out the other five inventory slots with full built items, I sell it and get another item.

I guess what I'm saying is that the devourer really isn't going to make Shyvana OP or underpowered, it's just another item to have.

I think if Riot really wants to balance Shyvana right, they need to deeply analyze her kit and compare it to the newer champions whom have kits which make hers look old as f*ck.

And I'm still annoyed by their decision to remove her armor shred simply because they couldn't find a way to fix the bug in it.

14 Comments

iLuma5 votes

Ugh, I main Shyvana and she's the only Champion I have Rank 5. I was so upset that they nerfed her. ><

19902013RIP Kira1 votes

she is broken atm she would get more nerfs trust me!!! if riot dosent nerf the new jungle item then the champion would need more nerfs simple as that!

iLuma2 votes

I haven't had a chance to try her with Sated yet. I hear she's not nearly as terrible as people are making her seem to be though.

Taredom1 votes

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I haven't had a chance to try her with Sated yet. I hear she's not nearly as terrible as people are making her seem to be though.

It's pretty intense, there are those that abuse it more but it synergizes extremely well with her kit. The problem is that it promotes building a bork after, while Shyv is naturally tanky, only having Sated devourer, bork and t2 boots by twenty minutes (if you're farming well) means that if the enemy team groups or 2v1s, you'll likely explode. I can say though with the way that this build works, any extra damage to her w would just set her even further over the top, because it adds substantial damage to her autos.

Atik L Yar1 votes

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It's pretty intense, there are those that abuse it more but it synergizes extremely well with her kit. The problem is that it promotes building a bork after, while Shyv is naturally tanky, only having Sated devourer, bork and t2 boots by twenty minutes (if you're farming well) means that if the enemy team groups or 2v1s, you'll likely explode. I can say though with the way that this build works, any extra damage to her w would just set her even further over the top, because it adds substantial damage to her autos.

Just going to back this up as my problem with Devourer Shyv.

Either you rush Bork, and you're very squishy, or you hold off on it and Devourer is basically a wasted item slot.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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straight4free1 votes

Not liking how the item plays doesn't give you an excuse not to use it.

It is 10x stronger than warrior and 3x stronger than cinderhulk on a jungle Shyv.

Embertine1 votes

I don't use any enchants. I stated this in my post. I only get the upgraded machete so i can use smite on players, then switch out later on for a non-jungle item. I said this in my post.

Atik L Yar1 votes

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Not liking how the item plays doesn't give you an excuse not to use it.

It is 10x stronger than warrior and 3x stronger than cinderhulk on a jungle Shyv.

I personally disagree.

I will point out the fact this is entirely based around personal playstyle, and each rating has a slightly different "meta" if you will, but at lower ELOs, Cinderhulk tends to be better. Even with Shyvana's insane clear, lanes need CONSTANT attention. You probably would get sated until 20+ minutes into the game.

Versus Cinderhulk, which you can finish within 15 minutes, and synergizes amazingly with Shyvana's W.

straight4free1 votes

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I personally disagree.

I will point out the fact this is entirely based around personal playstyle, and each rating has a slightly different "meta" if you will, but at lower ELOs, Cinderhulk tends to be better. Even with Shyvana's insane clear, lanes need CONSTANT attention. You probably would get sated until 20+ minutes into the game.

Versus Cinderhulk, which you can finish within 15 minutes, and synergizes amazingly with Shyvana's W.

You get stacks for assists. Really, try it out. You can go almost full tank afterwards, but with the devourer they cannot ignore your damage and are forced to peel you.

Atik L Yar1 votes

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You get stacks for assists. Really, try it out. You can go almost full tank afterwards, but with the devourer they cannot ignore your damage and are forced to peel you.

I know you do.

The problem is that you only get one stack per kill. It's really inefficient for a heavy ganker to try stacking it. And then you take into account that, in lower tiers, you need to babysit your laners anyway, ganks are guaranteed kills like in higher ELOs.

Taredom1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Atik L Yar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=95AzexFx,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-14T23:55:35.327+0000)

I know you do.

The problem is that you only get one stack per kill. It's really inefficient for a heavy ganker to try stacking it. And then you take into account that, in lower tiers, you need to babysit your laners anyway, ganks are guaranteed kills like in higher ELOs.

I'm gonna try a game without going bork, because while that item really puts it over the top, I feel like her kit is more than enough reason to build it, extra AS for her w, extra procs on w, same for e, q comes back faster and applies sateds first and second hits itself.

OxBaker1 votes

Her win rate in jungle's actually dropped slightly so I don't think it was that OP. But sadly her top lane win rate has dropped a lot. it's down to 43.5% now :(

Atik L Yar1 votes

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Her win rate in jungle's actually dropped slightly so I don't think it was that OP. But sadly her top lane win rate has dropped a lot. it's down to 43.5% now :(

Riot HATES Shyvana top.

The second she saw toplane play back in S4, they readied the nerfbat. And arguably hit her much harder than Mundo, who was the real problem. (Shyvana was only popular because she did well against him.)

But, my best advice, as someone who plays it a lot. Max E.

Seriously. Focus on your E in laning. Use it to farm, harass, and herd your opponent. I even run some AP runes for a bit of extra damage on it and my ult. It makes her laning phase a lot safer, and basically allows you to farm up your first couple items with more freedom in picking your trades.

Usually I can keep from slugging it out with my opponent until post-six, at which point Shyvana doesn't have many contenders.

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