...what if we pushed the ammo system on more marksmen? It's easy for Jhin to be strong, but not blatantly broken, because Riot can easily balance him around his ammo. After realizing that marksmen are only really balanced around power curves in this game (which is ridiculous), what if ammo systems were used to better balance more of them?
the Anarchit3cht2 votesThe two champions with ammo don't have standard AAs. While Jhin's is for the most part, the scaling on it is entirely different. Giving them ammo would make attack speed function really funky, the entire attack speed system would have to be overhauled. And what about for someone like Kog'Maw who just spits at you or Ezreal who fires magical bursts of energy? I know thematics don't always correlate to gameplay but it'd be a huge disconnect if suddenly Kog had to "reload" his spit.
chipndip11 votesKog runs around with a glass of water. He reloads by hydrating himself with the cup of water.
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The two champions with ammo don't have standard AAs. While Jhin's is for the most part, the scaling on it is entirely different. Giving them ammo would make attack speed function really funky, the entire attack speed system would have to be overhauled. And what about for someone like Kog'Maw who just spits at you or Ezreal who fires magical bursts of energy? I know thematics don't always correlate to gameplay but it'd be a huge disconnect if suddenly Kog had to "reload" his spit.
I had actually been pondering what an ammo system on Kog would look like.
Make him a melee champion with a bite attack. Whenever he last-hits a minion or monster or gets a takedown on a champ he eats them and gets some number of stacks of ammo. His W becomes a targeted spell that consumes a stack of ammo and lobs an acid blob as per Live. Then Koggy gets a new Ult that fully fills his ammo meter and replaces his basic attacks with the W slime wad for the duration.
Best Kog NA2 votesYou would be killing 
even more than he already is. His entire build is based on attack speed. This would completely kill him.
Astôlfo1 votesWhat number would you suggest?
Just seems like a clunky way to fix an issue that could be looked at in different ways.
chipndip11 votesHonestly, I'm not a dev or a balance team member, so I wouldn't have solid specifics, but I feel like the issue with bot lane's balance is that marksmen don't have enough things to balance them around. Whoever has the most favorable power curve between being strong right now or being SUPER strong a bit later is going to be top dog until they get the nerf bat. I feel like different characters having different amounts of ammo, different mechanics with that ammo, and different reload speeds would allow us to have more levers to balance marksmen around rather than just "I'm strong early game AND late game! HEHE ECKSDEE!"
Big Lincoln1 votesI wouldn't like it.
It'd feel incredibly awkward on Kog'Maw and probably ruin Draven, Ashe, and Kalista
It works for Jhin because his kit is worked around it. But then you have Ezreal who's supposed to be constantly hitting you with autos and Q; it just wouldn't work out for him.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesI suspect most angry marksmen mains will downvote this without a reasonable rebuttal. But I think it's a great idea to give riot more ways to make marksmen have more varied power curves.
ZephyrDrake1 votesThe champions with ammo systems work because their kits revolve around it. You would have to rework pretty much every single ADC in the game and hope to god whatever comes from it even resembles the champion who people actually enjoy playing. Which for some champions is going to be flat out impossible due to the way they are balanced around