Next patch: ADCs front lining, dueling and killing 10-0 assassins while taking 0 damage.

BluePolarizer··11 votes·642 views

Let's say you had a 6 slotted Jax, 1v1, against a 6 slotted MF. In the current patch: Jax wins taking zero damage.

But with the PBE changes, MF wins handily.

the new item 3072 item 3139 item 3046 make any ADC incredibly oppressive because you cannot outdamage them in sustained combat no matter what; they are lowering your damage 12%, kiting you, can't be stunned and have 30% lifesteal. There's no amount of steroids that can overcome that sort of dueling power.

But that's just 3 items. With item 3035 Jax's ult is now invalidated. item 3006 as standard. item 3031 just because lol it isn't enough to merely win against Jax as an ADC, you have to 3 shot him. But if that's too unsafe, you can always go with Death's Dance and instead of merely facetanking Jax, facetank enemy Talons and Zeds instead. All the while you have 400+ AD, 1.7 attack speed at the minimum as Cait (no AS steroid and weak base attack speed) and 35% crit, still way more than enough damage to carry fights while being unkillable.

This is MF, a teamfight oriented, immobile ADC, vs. Jax, one of the best ADC killing bruisers in the game.

Might I also add that MF will hit her power spikes earlier since Jax's items actually need more gold than hers now?

It is gonna be back to the s4 days of Tristanas facetanking full build Yasuos with lifesteal and 3 shotting him.

The difference now is that they can facetank full build any melee, and 3 shot them, not just Yasuo.

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Muted Summoner3 votes

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Let's say you had a 6 slotted Jax, 1v1, against a 6 slotted MF. In the current patch: Jax wins taking zero damage.

But with the PBE changes, MF wins handily.

the new item 3072 item 3139 item 3046 make any ADC incredibly oppressive because you cannot outdamage them in sustained combat no matter what; they are lowering your damage 12%, kiting you, can't be stunned and have 30% lifesteal. There's no amount of steroids that can overcome that sort of dueling power.

But that's just 3 items. With item 3035 Jax's ult is now invalidated. item 3006 as standard. item 3031 just because lol it isn't enough to merely win against Jax as an ADC, you have to 3 shot him. But if that's too unsafe, you can always go with Death's Dance and instead of merely facetanking Jax, facetank enemy Talons and Zeds instead. All the while you have 400+ AD, 1.7 attack speed at the minimum as Cait (no AS steroid and weak base attack speed) and 35% crit, still way more than enough damage to carry fights while being unkillable.

This is MF, a teamfight oriented, immobile ADC, vs. Jax, one of the best ADC killing bruisers in the game.

Might I also add that MF will hit her power spikes earlier since Jax's items actually need more gold than hers now?

It is gonna be back to the s4 days of Tristanas facetanking full build Yasuos with lifesteal and 3 shotting him.

The difference now is that they can facetank full build any melee, and 3 shot them, not just Yasuo.

well this is the pbe and it is early, there is a lot of play testing to go through.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

Thing is... Jax can build item 3046 too.

BluePolarizer3 votes

problem: it is fucking useless on any melee except ADC because melees almost never get to hit a target continuously due to kiting and CC, so they need to make every hit count. That's why melee carries go for BoRK, Triforce and Ghostblade, almost never getting pure AS items like Shiv or PD, while ADCs go for BT, IE and PD.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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problem: it is fucking useless on any melee except ADC because melees almost never get to hit a target continuously due to kiting and CC, so they need to make every hit count. That's why melee carries go for BoRK, Triforce and Ghostblade, almost never getting pure AS items like Shiv or PD, while ADCs go for BT, IE and PD.

Doesn't it give movespeed when in 500 range?

BluePolarizer2 votes

doesn't matter, there's no AD melee (whether assassin, bruiser or tank) in the game that can afford to spend 2.8k gold for an item that grants no tankiness before being in range and no AD. The reason tankiness matters is not because you can't fight when in range, but because you can't even get in range before dying to enemy ADC crits. PD is almost 100% going to be a benefit for ADCs only.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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doesn't matter, there's no AD melee (whether assassin, bruiser or tank) in the game that can afford to spend 2.8k gold for an item that grants no tankiness before being in range and no AD. The reason tankiness matters is not because you can't fight when in range, but because you can't even get in range before dying to enemy ADC crits. PD is almost 100% going to be a benefit for ADCs only.

Doesn't it grant a 12% damage reduction from your target?

BluePolarizer1 votes

sure if you hit them at all in the first place.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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sure if you hit them at all in the first place.

Only one who can dodge Jax's Q is Vayne (by Condemning him away).

BluePolarizer1 votes

so league isn't a 1v1 game. PD is only useful for Jax in a 1v1. In a 5v5, it is useless. I hate to pull the elo card but there's a reason crit based melee carry builds aren't seen anywhere other than Tryndamere and sometimes Yi: most melees simply can't autoattack more than a few times in a teamfight due to kiting and CC, and can't afford to spend gold on stats that don't allow their limited autos to hit harder.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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so league isn't a 1v1 game.

It is in top lane xD xD xD xD xD.

True, so you'd try to look for assassinations and split push whenever possible.

ChaosThief1 votes

When has item 3035 not invalidated jax's ult?

Last whisper by itself is actually weaker now.

Wind Whistler1 votes

Too bad we don't have the old Sion. He would have been great with some of the items that came out since he was gone, and could easily duel the new overpowered ADCs. Mainly Sterak's Gage and the item that makes you take 20% of damage as bleed.

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