Cho no longer loses half his feast stack on death?

Ralanr·Jan 25, 2017·51 votes·5,767 views

Are you making Cho an infinite stacking champion?

69 Comments

Sahn UzalJan 25, 201743 votes

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/199/693/disgusted-mother-of-god.png?1321272571

That honestly scares me tbh

RalanrJan 25, 20178 votes

I'm frightened myself. Cho is pretty terrifying when he gets big.

Sahn UzalJan 25, 20176 votes

Cho is pretty terrifying when he gets big.

Pun intended?

GeminiRuneJan 25, 20177 votes

Cho'Zilla. Coming soon to wall your lanes and cover hitboxes!

OrangesilkJan 26, 20171 votes

Blitzcrank "He he he he HA HA HA HA"

macromiteJan 26, 20171 votes

I see you found the champion, "juggernaut and cho dash mechanic"

SkelenthJan 25, 201746 votes

https://i.imgflip.com/1ictwf.jpg

SpoofghoulJan 25, 201718 votes

But thats a big nerf

i wont be able to leave base after recalling or walk through the jungle

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

DanjengJan 26, 20172 votes

It's okay, because by then you'll have a global presence, and be able to look down on the whole map. Your autoattacks will terrorize every jungle camp and enemy present on the rift.

Pale PirateJan 26, 20172 votes

But they will also be able to hit you from anywhere in the map... Will you heal because you're also touching the fountain? Wait, what if you are also touching the enemy's fountain?

HigeJan 25, 201711 votes

I think... they simply forgot to add how he looses stacks now, maybe it's only one or maybe it's 2 per death... him being at 6 stacks constantly is... crazy O.o

BunnymapJan 25, 201726 votes

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I think... they simply forgot to add how he looses stacks now, maybe it's only one or maybe it's 2 per death... him being at 6 stacks constantly is... crazy O.o

His ult no longer refreshes cost and cool down on minions, doesn't give 2 stacks vs champs, gives diminishing results on more than six stacks, and stacks past 6 require a champ kill

OrangesilkJan 26, 20172 votes

It is intended, without cd reduction on minion kill he will be without his ult for a long portion of laning phase. So everyone can just hard engage him after he noms a minion and force him to back and lose the trade or stay and die.

Champion SkinJan 26, 20171 votes

Without CDR it will take 8 min (480 seconds) from level 6 for Cho'gath to get 6 stacks (if he uses ult immediately when it comes off cooldown meaning that he won't have it to use on champions or in fights)

Doesn't seem OP to me at all

TheHappyReaperzJan 25, 201711 votes

An infinite stacking champ, with diminishing returns.

Big LincolnJan 25, 20178 votes

it has diminishing returns so I'd imagine it eventually stops being significant

BârdJan 26, 20175 votes

That won't stop Vandril.

MelledoneusJan 26, 20171 votes

Especially with sandbox mode.

Champion SkinJan 26, 20171 votes

At 11 and higher stack each stack gives 45 HP (only on champion kills) and it has 80 seconds cooldown (48 seconds with 40% CDR) so it stacking so high probably won't be a problem given the long cooldown and needing champion kills to stack it

(without CDR to even just get to 6 stacks it takes 8 min after getting to level 6 if ult is used on a minion the moment it comes off cooldown... before it only took 4 min because half cooldown when killing a minion/monster and giving 2 stacks on champion kills)

OleandervineJan 25, 20177 votes

Not to mention, this is an exploratory change, as noted on S@20. Exploratory means they are experimenting.

Synnx7Jan 26, 20171 votes

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Not to mention, this is an exploratory change, as noted on S@20. Exploratory means they are experimenting.

Change for the sake of change. Riot 2016->2017

MHMegaJan 26, 20172 votes

Chi needs buffs. This might be how they do it.

OleandervineJan 26, 20172 votes

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Change for the sake of change. Riot 2016->2017

Not really, Cho has been in a rough spot. For a bruiser/tank like champion, he's got a pretty steep disadvantage if he's killed. Whatever comes of these experiments with his ult, it will be change for the sake of improvement that will tide him over until his inevitable VGU.

Kitty ClarissaJan 25, 20177 votes

Welp time to go on pbe and torture bots with a 100 stack chogath

Troll for TrumpJan 26, 20177 votes

So they're screwing over cho jungle.

Nice one, Riot.

Just like you did with Maokai,Naut,Poppy, Sion, JarvanIV Trundle jg

General Esdeath Jan 26, 20172 votes

How does it screw him over?

SH AzykanJan 26, 20177 votes

minion/monster refresh helped him clear faster and still have it up for ganks and securing objectives. losing that is gonna suck

LatetotheRaceJan 26, 20172 votes

Build titanic and enjoy the new stacking.

OrangesilkJan 26, 20172 votes

That is a terrible idea.

nm1010Jan 26, 20171 votes

Why exactly? If he is going to have his extra hp forever now a tankier cinderhulk titanic build would be monstrously good, especially since he might need the extra clear speed.

Champion SkinJan 26, 20172 votes

Well... because Cho'gath isn't particularly good at sticking to enemy champions to auto attack them? item 3115 might be better because it is 500 gold cheaper and it is useful even when not in melee range because of the CDR and also the attack speed work well with Cho'gath's E (and allowing him to possibly get more stacks because of the CDR)

Also to get more then 6 stacks he needs to kill an enemy champion with it... and if he is able to kill enemy champions that much with his ult... then he is probably snowballing so hard that he can build pretty much whatever and still probably win

Hunted9000Jan 26, 20171 votes

Chogath's ult is an execution what do you mean if he is able to kill that much?

Champion SkinJan 26, 20172 votes

Cho'gath needs 8 min after level 6 to get 6 stacks (if he uses his ult as often as possible on minions) and then he can at most get another stack every 80 - 48 seconds if he is able to get a champion low enough to kill them with ult which isn't always easy (as he doesn't have any mobility and the only way he has of closing the gap is hitting his Q which the enemy might avoid and he needs to be in melee range to use ult)

nm1010Jan 26, 20171 votes

Didn't you just disprove your own point (or at least give a very good reason to avoid item 3115 )? The burst from titanic would probably be better vs champions since he can't stick to them particularly well. The attack speed helps clearing more, but the hp from titanic also stacks on cinderhulk.

You could probably argue both, but it isn't worth it until we know if its even coming to live.

Champion SkinJan 26, 20171 votes

More Q's = more sticking power And more R = more often burst

And the attack speed + E should be plenty and enough to clear with item 3115 + item 1028 only gives 300 hp less than item 3748 (and you still have 100 gold left... though given the extra HP Cho gets from his ult stacks getting resistances might be more effective then getting HP)

Troll for TrumpJan 27, 20172 votes

Already tried that before.

It seems good in concept, but it's gold-hungry and too slow. You end up losing too much before you can be relevant. WHen your dmg is relevant, you're too squishy to do anything.

Cho was already bad before in teamfights, building this makes him useless.

Cho in teamfights is important because he can either tank/peel or do burst dmg. Aka, Tank/AP builds. His AP build doesn't have any good CDR option, making it a lot more unattractive(for the purpose of jg cho). Tank will get a lot more cdr easily, so that's probably the path he should go; a peeling tank.

General Esdeath Jan 26, 20172 votes

Yeah, I didn't see that part of the notes when I wrote that. Saw it after.

Troll for TrumpJan 27, 20171 votes

And it helped with Drags/Barons/Heralds.

ESPECIALLY helpful for counterjgling.

Hunted9000Jan 26, 20171 votes

You mentioned so many strong champions I can't take this post seriously....

Troll for TrumpJan 27, 20171 votes

Reading comprehension.

Just like you did with Maokai,Naut,Poppy, Sion, J4, Trundle jg

Those champs no longer are played in the jg. Best state for any of those listed champs in jg is J4.

P4stryJan 26, 20173 votes

Is this actually happening? If so could I get a source on it, I'd like to read it myself? :3

Edit: Portable terrain Cho here I come :D

RalanrJan 26, 20172 votes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/01/125-pbe-update.html?m=1

P4stryJan 26, 20172 votes

Thanks! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

HateDaddyJan 25, 20172 votes

Tbh, Cho is such a shitty champion because he's so easy to outplayed

You probably could remove him losing stacks upon death and it wouldn't matter much.

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 26, 20172 votes

He only gets feast stacks past 6 from Champion kills.
No reduced CD using it on a creep or mob.
Diminishing returns.

From early experimenting from people I believe that around 12 stacks the size/HP boost is too minuscule to tell.

Champion SkinJan 26, 20171 votes

Ït also helps cho'gath when being behind.... As it is now Cho'gath ends up being easier and easier to kill as he falls behind (ending up behind in gold and exp... and he also loses hp from losing stacks)