So... about today's PBE update..

Melledoneus·Jul 10, 2018·33 votes·13,432 views

7/9 PBE Update: Tentative Balance Changes

Shen Twilight Assault (Q) Spirit Blade collision slow changed from 35% at all ranks to [15/20/25/30/35%]

Why are we doing this again?

68 Comments

Edge of DaybreakJul 10, 201813 votes

Probably going to give him power elsewhere. Considering he usually taunts you the slow probably is redundant so giving him a boost elsewhere would be more helpful.

MelledoneusJul 10, 201826 votes

I hope they put that power in his defensive tools.

However, I'm a bit doubtful since Riot does have a history of nerfing Shen without compensation for a while now.

Bob the ToastrJul 10, 20183 votes

Probably preemptively nerfing him because they're nerfing teleport so people want to play him.

HawkefireJul 11, 20181 votes

Which is dumb, because Shen is really reliant on TP

saltranJul 10, 20188 votes

He's not getting more power anywhere.

This is a nerf and most of all a nerf to Shen supp that doesn't max Q.

(Not saying that I want Shen to be nerfed, but is what's happening)

DlXONJul 10, 20181 votes

It's a pro play nerf to Shen support, RIP ORNN

BLACK REALM GODJul 11, 20181 votes

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I hope they put that power in his defensive tools.

However, I'm a bit doubtful since Riot does have a history of nerfing Shen without compensation for a while now.

i hope they give him attack speed so he can buy guinsoos... considering he yells "GUINSOOOOS" when using his R.

TotalJerkJul 11, 20181 votes

He's a tank with only only one form of hard CC and a slow that is difficult to utilize and only functions in one direction, Shen really, really needs that slow to function in SoloQ

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 10, 201810 votes

Better question:

Vi Assault and Battery (R) cooldown lowered from 130/100/70 to 110/85/60

Like Vi having 20/15/10 seconds shaved off ult won't fix why she's not picked. Not until she has something that makes her a bit better than nocturne.

StonePlatypusJul 10, 20181 votes

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Better question:

Like Vi having 20/15/10 seconds shaved off ult won't fix why she's not picked. Not until she has something that makes her a bit better than nocturne.

-__- I haven't been able to play Vi for awhile, just not Vi-able. Now I get a poop buff to her that means nothing. Super. T_T

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 10, 20184 votes

I mean Vi is still fine to play but right now her biggest issue is that Nocrtune just does her job better. Longer engage with ult, point and click CC vs. her skillshot and better attack speed/defensive tools.

La BelloJul 10, 20187 votes

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Better question:

Like Vi having 20/15/10 seconds shaved off ult won't fix why she's not picked. Not until she has something that makes her a bit better than nocturne.

she just needs an entire mini-rework period. Vi is too binary of a champion.

-Did she land Q? Okay she wins because you just got chunked for 1/3rd of your HP and got mini-stunned

-Did she miss Q? Okay she loses (unless she has snowballed to the point that she has achieved statcheck status and Q didnt matter anyways. By this point Vi is engaging in a unhealthy gameplay pattern of Point-n-click into one shots)

Passive is kinda like almost exactly Camille Camille passive but with half the values and half the CD so its not even unique anymore ( If it was up to me I would make vi generate a shield equal to her Denting Blow Procs damage. I think that would introduce a cool niche where Vi is a tankbuster).

W is really just a innate passive that gives AS +occasional damage making Vi a bit of a statchecker when you combine it with E which is just a undodgeable auto reset.

I think her biggest problem is her ultimate. not only is it point n click gapcloser but its ALSO a stun that makes you unstoppable? probably one of the most disgusting one-sided snowball tools invented imo because it all but ensures you are gonna get on top of that 0/7/2 Ashe and one-shot her.

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 10, 20182 votes

100% Agree.

Chembaron YamadaJul 10, 20181 votes

But I love my Vi the way she is. [sg-soraka]

JJI744Jul 10, 20181 votes

That's a pretty big deal. Vi's Q is usually pretty easy to dodge if your laner can't CC for you, so she usually needs flash or ult to make it work. Taking 20s off R1 means more gank ability, which is kinda important these days.

ModCaptainMårvelousJul 10, 20181 votes

While true, Vi's combo is often reliant on hitting Q first followed by an ult for when they flash, dash or try to escape. (at least in ideal situations). It also doesn't help that Vi still has problems 1-6 due to her kit. Buffing her ult just seems like the wrong way to improve her jungle.

SalronJul 11, 20181 votes

The point isnt to make her weaknesses less relevant, its to improve her strengths

Wizard BlazeJul 10, 20186 votes

Balance team are on crack again.

Pandemic PunchJul 10, 20185 votes

Just revert shen

BeatzBoyFTWJul 10, 20185 votes

Old Shen solves nothing.

Pandemic PunchJul 10, 20183 votes

It makes Shen go from boring to play to fun to play. That is the most important problem it solves

BeatzBoyFTWJul 10, 20185 votes

Remind me again how does reverting Q back to a point & click being "more fun" again...?

Feel ApathyJul 10, 20182 votes

It was super fun throwing Qs for 200+ damage level 5 that also regenerate your HP by a huge amount.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 10, 20182 votes

Gangplank https://imgur.com/uEuptJP

ankoanko19Jul 10, 20185 votes

I think its cause TP is getting nerfed and Shen being so dominant in proplay cause of his ult.. yeah you get the idea.

bbQsauçeJul 10, 20184 votes

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saltranJul 10, 20184 votes

GUTTED ??????

Holy exaggeration.

bbQsauçeJul 10, 20183 votes

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saltranJul 10, 20185 votes

I'm not saying that I agree with the nerf, but he's not being gutted.

Sexy Jack RabbitJul 11, 20181 votes

Not a gut lmao

20% reduced slow at level 1 isn't that bad tbh.

Aatrox Mid 1v5Jul 10, 20184 votes

at this point Im convinced the entire balance team hates Shen with a passion

DuskDaUmbreonJul 10, 20182 votes

at this point Im convinced the entire balance team hates Shen with a passhen

I REGRET NOTHING

lolipopevelynnJul 10, 20184 votes

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Twilight Assault (Q) Spirit Blade collision slow changed from 35% at all ranks to [15/20/25/30/35%]

Why are we doing this again?

Why do you think? Balance team has not a clue what they are doing. Its like they have no direction or extremely bad and misguided direction. They ignore core issues and do random nerfs like this that is completely unnecessary.

saltranJul 10, 20182 votes

It has a reason: they want to nerf supp Shen that doesn't max Q first

RαyJul 10, 20183 votes

Meanwhile Talon, Wukong, Fiddle, Camille and other bullshit being around.

saltranJul 10, 20182 votes

Camille got a huge E nerf last patch, Wukong and Talon are getting nerfs aswell on the PBE.

RαyJul 21, 20181 votes

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Camille got a huge E nerf last patch, Wukong and Talon are getting nerfs aswell on the PBE.

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Camille got two huge nerfs. One when they changed Sterak's cage(lost a lot of damage from her Q) from base ad to bonus AD and the second one to her E. She will also get a bigger nerf with the tp nerf.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Camille/Top/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Talon/

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/MonkeyKing/

Yeah, really bad champions now. Nerfs did a lot.

JohnnyNeverSinsJul 10, 20183 votes

I dont watch LC$ anymore,but if he still gets picked then you dont have to wonder why they nerfed him...

MelledoneusJul 10, 20183 votes

He's been nerfed to the point of no longer being a viable top laner. He's been reduced to a glorified ult-taunt bot support in the pro play scene. His ult nerfs changed nothing wrong about him.

Instead of actually tinkering his ult and tuning it for its intended purpose they lazily nerfed the shield and made it practically unusable at the HP threshold it was meant to be used at unless it's to shield against an ignite or something.

I'm getting a little tired of having to feel dread whenever I see Shen on any set of PBE changes.

PopcornBunniJul 10, 20183 votes

Tanks are being played by more than 1% of the playerbase

can't have that.

Nikki AndersenJul 10, 20182 votes

because he has a stronger early game than darius. If darius procced 5x hemorrhage instnatly coming from someone that mains shens counterpick

MelledoneusJul 10, 20183 votes

Well, from my experience watching high elo games and playing Shen myself, Darius with conqueror or phase rush eats Shen alive early.

I'm not sure about him having a stronger early game than Darius, but I'm sure there is some truth to it. Can you show me what you mean?

FullmetallicJul 10, 20181 votes

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Well, from my experience watching high elo games and playing Shen myself, Darius with conqueror or phase rush eats Shen alive early.

I'm not sure about him having a stronger early game than Darius, but I'm sure there is some truth to it. Can you show me what you mean?

TheCodeisCupCakeJul 11, 20181 votes

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Well, from my experience watching high elo games and playing Shen myself, Darius with conqueror or phase rush eats Shen alive early.

I'm not sure about him having a stronger early game than Darius, but I'm sure there is some truth to it. Can you show me what you mean?

Darius beats most champions in this game early game so long as they are melee. The only time ive ever lost early game as Darius to a melee champion has been to ignite lvl 2 ganks. Or someone dodges your Q and all ins you at lvl 2 with ignite. From my experiences you should never lose to Shen early game. I think he means how Shen's spirit refuge blocks Darius AA?