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Time to rework Leblanc

Chuck Charles··2 votes·609 views

Let's talk about everyone's favorite burst Mage to play....but least favorite to go against. Generally speaking Leblanc is the premier midlaner with her hardest counters still able to be one shot with a few mistakes.

Now, she has weaknesses, her wave clear is her main mobility and dmg source as you usually max it first. And she generally has a hard time in team fights as she has to wait for a really good opportunity to do anything, but she can still melt a team with W > R combo or instagib back line.

What I feel the biggest problem is...is lack of counter play. Her Q after all this time is a targeted spell still and I have no idea why. That you can mimic right for a free double proc and if you land a very easy to land W, you get double double proc. not only is Q targeted, but her W allows her to return safely immediately.

Now I love Leblanc and her identity so I'd hate to see her get some crazy rework where she's anything but a highly mobile burst Mage. But she needs some slight tweaks. The Q needs work, the ultimate needs some form of mana cost even if it is cheap, and the W needs a delay even if it's only a 0.5 seconds like zed ult so we can have counter play to Leblanc and make her think twice about blindly walking up and burning half your life bar for free.

13 Comments

Tyroneology1 votes

The thing about Leblanc at this point is that she has such a terribly weak late game that its hard to give her any more nerfs with the current meta. IMO Rammus

Chuck Charles1 votes

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The thing about Leblanc at this point is that she has such a terribly weak late game that its hard to give her any more nerfs with the current meta. IMO Rammus

I don't know if needs are what she needs. I think she needs reworks. Like fizz, you can't nerf Leblanc cuz her kit is so binary. She does one thing, blow people up. If you nerf Her she becomes unplayable. Buff her slightly back and she is suddenly played like crazy. As you saw with the W revert buff. She needs a slight rework

Tyroneology1 votes

There are high priority champions I think at this time that need reworks more than LB does.
Also how would you suggest to rework LB without changing her whole Identity and without making her viability skyrocket again?

Chuck Charles1 votes

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There are high priority champions I think at this time that need reworks more than LB does.
Also how would you suggest to rework LB without changing her whole Identity and without making her viability skyrocket again?

I agree that there are higher priority champs. yorick, poppy, taric come to mind. But she still needs to be done at some point. Her kit is dated and lacks counter play. Personally her distortion is fine but needs a delay even if it is only half second like I said so you can hit her back with an insta cast spell or targeted follow back like Annie w And q or Lisandra root (which you can still do if you time right but currently far too difficult).

Her q imo just needs to change to something else. Maybe something with a skill shot I have no idea. But being able to double up targeted burst dmg is insane. I understand she is a burst Mage but her point and click burst is worse than Annie and short cool downs and that's saying something.

Tyroneology1 votes

I think her major issue at this point is the Meta with late game being so trash. I think with a meta shifting back toward assassins then giving her a slight time from being able to cast distortion would be fine at that point without making her basically a free kill late game.
Her q is debatable, I'm not sure a skill shot is needed since she technically has two skill shots already and making her a completely skill shot dependent champion would be unreasonable in comparison to other assassins.

Chuck Charles2 votes

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I think her major issue at this point is the Meta with late game being so trash. I think with a meta shifting back toward assassins then giving her a slight time from being able to cast distortion would be fine at that point without making her basically a free kill late game.
Her q is debatable, I'm not sure a skill shot is needed since she technically has two skill shots already and making her a completely skill shot dependent champion would be unreasonable in comparison to other assassins.

Reasonable logic, and that's why I'm torn as well on what to do with q. Maybe nerf range so she has to be at risk to use the massive nuke? I personally feel it's already kind of short though so I'm not even sure if you could do that. It's not the Q by itself that is the issue. So maybe if they do the W delay thing the A won't feel so oppressive as the dmg won't be free

Tyroneology1 votes

I could see a range nerf being potentially effective but it could also be awful for LB in terms of viability, basically an enemy champion would know that she has to come in closer for her q so they could pick a long range champion and pretty much abuse her all game long. lol

Chuck Charles1 votes

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I could see a range nerf being potentially effective but it could also be awful for LB in terms of viability, basically an enemy champion would know that she has to come in closer for her q so they could pick a long range champion and pretty much abuse her all game long. lol

Not necessarily, with W, R double gap closers you can get really close to a long range champion, and get some dmg on them. I do this against zoning champs like donger. You Dont always have to use your full combo to get good dmg on Leblanc. It's not until you get some items that you can truly one shot anyway.

Cosmic Warper1 votes

I don't think she needs a large scale rework. I think her W, passive, and E are in good spots. The only skill changes i would make would probably be to her Q and her R, and even then I don't know what should be changed since those two are core to her gameplay pattern.

Chuck Charles1 votes

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I don't think she needs a large scale rework. I think her W, passive, and E are in good spots. The only skill changes i would make would probably be to her Q and her R, and even then I don't know what should be changed since those two are core to her gameplay pattern.

This has literally what I have been saying in my posts. Her main issues are the ultimate and q. She does not need overhaul as her identity is fine. Just needs counter play. Personally w only needs the slight tweak

DrNova1 votes

Where the hell did a LeBlanc thread come from?

Chuck Charles1 votes

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Where the hell did a LeBlanc thread come from?

Hey be grateful it's not another vayne thread

Mafia LeBlanc1 votes

Not sure why people complain so much about LB all this time.

She explodes if you sneeze on her, she has the lowest HP pool in the game, besides Sona. She can be snared easily by Liss when procing her Q with W. I main LB and every time I play against a Liss, I get snared every single time I W in, and I'm mashing the button to blink back, but she always pulls it off.

LB is so frail that if she gets hit by a single CC skill in a teamfight she's done. She can't heal any damage dealt to her in lane, so if you do manage to hit her, coupled with her crappy HP pool, she's going to be hurting for a long time.

You just can't play scared of LB if you face her in mid. The second her combo goes off, she lost use of her W for a good 12-15 sec at low levels. If she misses her W, she's lost a huge portion of her mana.

Before Faker played her and made her popular on the pro level, everyone thought LB was a terrible champion and listed all her weaknesses while ignoring her strengths.

Now that she is played on the pro level, people only pay attention to her strengths and pretend her weaknesses are completely non-existent.

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