Can we get a numbers buff on Fizz's W

HongChongDong··4 votes·740 views

It doesn't seem logical as to why an ability handicapped with "delayed damage" would only total out to less base damage than all other comparable AP assassins abilities. This is especially true when taking into account how damn tough it is to proc this thing in the first place.

Akali can proc her "delayed damage" instantly upon casting Q as well as cast it multiple times faster while Leblanc can do it safely from a range and back out whenever she needs to, yet both of these champions get higher base damage with only a .1 and .2 scaling difference. Not saying akali is strong "Op, pls nerf", I'm just comparing the 2 as they have the most similar abilities.

This is one problem with assassins, you aren't giving them the damage they deserve/need and handicapping what little they have while letting other champions run freely around with double to sometimes triple their damage at no cost. As to why this is the case in the first place that's an entirely different story for another post.

Think I'm wrong about his W? Go check how the high elo players are playing him. They max E. This is because maxing W isn't worth it when you can simply max E, get more damage early on without having to put yourself in harms way to wait out his W proc and you also get a lower cooldown. The damage isn't enough to max it first when it should be his primary damage ability. the AP scaling is fine but at the very least the base damage should be 290 and if possible I'd want something like 320. I want it to be rewarding for me to stick my neck out in melee range to proc this while I risk all sorts of dangers.

That's all I have to say on that matter but while I'm at it, can we revert the tank fizz nerfs? You tacked on a whole 2 seconds to his E's CD to help with tank fizz but never reverted it now that that's no longer a problem. This might even be part of the reason for E max because the CD's just too long otherwise.

8 Comments

Clutch Thompson1 votes

Fizz is in a great spot rn to my knowledge. If his W was better, he'd be a little too good at whittling opponents down in trades that he too easily disengages from until he finishes them with Ulti.

Of course I don't play as fizz, I play against him so I might not know better.

HongChongDong2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Actual Gin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8VBAUWF1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-18T21:39:19.949+0000)

Fizz is in a great spot rn to my knowledge. If his W was better, he'd be a little too good at whittling opponents down in trades that he too easily disengages from until he finishes them with Ulti.

Of course I don't play as fizz, I play against him so I might not know better.

Fizz is like every other assassin. He does good, but only in match ups where he's meant to do good. Specifically Mage matchups that don't include orianna or syndra. If you were to face off against and compare him to other assassins he simply loses. He has lower stats, the worst laning phase in the game as far as I'm aware due to melee only with his only wave clear being his E, which if he uses to wave clear he gets opened to even more harass and possibly a gank, and a bad kit in general.

As I said above, his best damage source to max is his utlity ability meant to keep him alive (this is not ok) a Q ability doesn't deal good damage (not the worst thing ever) and the most important thing of all:

#No passive.

But the thread isn't a complaint thread saying he's unplayable, just something asking for a simple numbers buff to make him feel like there's a reason to play him over someone like Leblanc or kat who are actually proper assassins.

Penns1 votes

I dont think a flat numbers buff is the way to go, it does enough damage against targets without mr. The problem is that it gets shit on by mr, Id say if anything, the empowered W should have a lot of extra magic pen or something like that.

HongChongDong2 votes

{quoted}

I dont think a flat numbers buff is the way to go, it does enough damage against targets without mr. The problem is that it gets shit on by mr, Id say if anything, the empowered W should have a lot of extra magic pen or something like that.

I'm sure people have seen before that I make alot of fizz posts as a fizz main. I'm only plat so I won't always claim absolute knowledge over him but I will say I know alot about him. One thing that I know is that yes, any MR at all shutsdown fizz and this only becomes worst if it's a damage champion, at which point it's impossible to kill them depending on who they are regardless of if you outplay them or not.

I've suggested all sorts of things in posts but the one thing I've asked for quite alot is a proper passive that consists of a magic pen component of some sort. I've also suggested bringing back his old bleed but in a modern form that only has scaling with no base damage as I'd personally be perfectly fine with this but even if riot noticed these posts I've made that's probably the least likely thing they'd do.

jinxedchef1 votes

How about they fix the Ult hitbox first? Fizz is currently fine without a numbers buff.

HongChongDong1 votes

{quoted}

How about they fix the Ult hitbox first? Fizz is currently fine without a numbers buff.

His hitbox was never broken to begin with. The ult has an increased latch on radius upon landing. People keep mistaking this with a broken hitbox because they never see the latch on radius. This is why riot put an indicator on it but that doesn't pop up if it immediately latches onto someone immediately after stopping. Go look it up in a video or test it out for yourself.

jinxedchef1 votes

Either way he doesn't need a buff.

HongChongDong2 votes

{quoted}

Either way he doesn't need a buff.

Why? I gave my logic and explained everything as to why fizz could use the buffs. So if you're going to say that I'm wrong you have to actually give me proper reasoning and facts, not just a quick "You're wrong".

More from Gameplay

More by HongChongDong