I mean could be worse,they could've remembered galio exists,or that zyra is still in this game,or that now that they cured their fear of a "strong veigar",maybe make him a competitive pick.
But no,they buff le blanc instead,which is good,hospitals could use some extra cancer patients.
Joe Dredd11 votesMaybe because Galio is already a good pick. o but my pick rate uh durr durr no pick rate means absolutely underpowered woaosadf
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Maybe because Galio is already a good pick. o but my pick rate uh durr durr no pick rate means absolutely underpowered woaosadf
Is that why you have 0 games on him in ranked?
o but let's stifle balance by spreading the "everything is good" BS hurr durr.
Thévenin4 votesIf you think Galio is weak then you should play him and realize how strong he is.
If you think Zyra is weak, play her and realize how strong she is.
The problem is that these disengage/counterengage champs are badly used as flash engagers, gameplay patterns for them aren't well understood
manbearswine1 votesIf you think Galio is weak then you should play him and realize how strong he is.
Played him,he's shit.
If you think Zyra is weak, play her and realize how strong she is.
Played her,she's garbage.
The problem is that these disengage/counterengage champs are badly used as flash engagers, gameplay patterns for them aren't well understood
No,the problem is that they are bad but people are too busy sucking riot's dong so we never allow them to be good.
Le blanc buffed? Oh great,of course you'd be against it if it wasn't on pbe,but riot is doing it,ergo it's good. Galio buffs? not on pbe,bad idea.
Narasimha1 votesPlayed her,she's garbage.
Shows what you know. Zyra is fucking amazing. All she needs is updates on her plants targetting code. Other than that, she's 100% fine.
manbearswine1 votesShows what you know.
On the contrary,shows what you know.
Zyra is fucking amazing. All she needs is updates on her plants targetting code. Other than that, she's 100% fine.
I used to main this champion,can't even touch it anymore,100% unplayable garbage.
Narasimha1 votesI still main her. And she still works for me. Maybe she just wasn't the champion for you?
manbearswine1 votesI still main her. And she still works for me. Maybe she just wasn't the champion for you?
Okay hm,let's think about it:
I've mained zyra since late s2,and probably have ~ 1.5k games on her by now,I have achieved diamond both in s3 and s4,and will get it again as soon as I can be bothered with ranked(I already have it on a smurf so...).
You on the other hand are gold,I'm not sure how many zyra games you have,but I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume it's a small fraction of the games I have,so let's think about this:
Either a champion I used to play when almost nobody played it,and have a ridiculous amount of games on isn't meant for me,or:
You fell under the wrong impression.
Now tell me,which one do you think is more likely.
Narasimha1 votesI've mained Zyra since early s3 (I started in s2, wasn't maining anyone there), and probably have about close as many games to you. Maybe slightly less.
And heres the wondrous thing. Maybe, just MAYBE, not everyone plays ranked. Some of us are satisfied with getting gold and a free skin, and then never touching it again. So props for playing that card. It almost helped your case.
So...
Considering we're dead equal in that regard.
And you've given up on her, and I've continued to do well with her, I'd say it speaks for itself.
manbearswine1 votesI've mained Zyra since early s3 (I started in s2, wasn't maining anyone there), and probably have about close as many games to you. Maybe slightly less.
And heres the wondrous thing. Maybe, just MAYBE, not everyone plays ranked. Some of us are satisfied with getting gold and a free skin, and then never touching it again. So props for playing that card. It almost helped your case.
Okay,let's go check with who you are matched with...
silver...silver...bronze...silver...
Are you boosted?
So...
Considering we're dead equal in that regard.
Really aren't,skill difference is still there,your normal mmr is worse than your ranked one.
And you've given up on her, and I've continued to do well with her, I'd say it speaks for itself.
Yes,that it's harder to play worthless champions in higher elos.
Narasimha1 votesOkay,let's go check with who you are matched with...
silver...silver...bronze...silver...
Are you boosted?
...Yes. Yes, I got boosted. All to the amazing rank of gold. Truly, thats something worth boosting over.
Also, I can't exactly help who I'm matched with. I'm fairly certain my normals mmr would be higher if I stopped dicking around, but wheres the fun in that? Ranked is for being serious, normals is for J4 support.
manbearswine1 votes...Yes. Yes, I got boosted. All to the amazing rank of gold. Truly, thats something worth boosting over.
Some people do it,for the skin and what not?
Also, I can't exactly help who I'm matched with.
You could play better,that tends to match you with better teammates.
I'm fairly certain my normals mmr would be higher if I stopped dicking around, but wheres the fun in that? Ranked is for being serious, normals is for J4 support.
So your zyra experience is either based around playing against low golds,or around "dicking around",explain to me how that isn't worthless.
You claim to be better than this,frankly it doesn't matter,you want to see why zyra sucks you are going to have to play seriously against good players,that is not what you are doing,my point stands.
Lugg2 votesI agree that Galio is a good pick, but lets look at the pick rates.
Galio 1.41% Zed 8.57% LB 5.25%
There are literally at least 50 champions that need buffs before Zed and LB.
Joe Dredd1 votesnot at all honestly. and for the love of god, pick rate doesnt equal strength.
Lugg1 votesI have to disagree on that one. Pick rate is a pretty good determination of strength. People aren't going to pick weak champs. Of course there are always exceptions, but as a general rule it's not a bad barometer.
Rufus Crabmiser1 votesPeople are gonna pick what they enjoy playing as well. Not as many people are gonna enjoy playing galio as they are zed, while, at least in my opinion, galio is multitudes stronger than zed. Like I could spam shyvana and the freelo named viktor every game, but I wouldn't enjoy playing my games as much because i hate their kits.
shadecrapper6 votesI really dont want LB back... :( And Zed... :( :(
Baby Ghoul2 votesI like Leblanc buffs.
Zed buffs are icky.
Kenj4001 votescalm down... they are only buffing leblancs missle speed by 100... and zed is currently underpowered champ ever since the 1 second nerf hitted him
3TWarrior1 votesyou realize they only reduced it by 200 in the first place? from 1600 units per second to 1400
as an example, twisted fate's cards travel somewhere around 800 or so units per second
SwapShadows1 votesEverytime Zed gets a buff, no matter how fucking small it is people will start complaining. s.t.f.u
manbearswine4 votesEverytime Zed gets a buff, no matter how fucking small it is people will start complaining. s.t.f.u
Yeah,that's cause people hate when riot plays favorites,there are about 100 champions who need buffs more than zed does. I thought anyone could get that simple logic,I guess I was wrong.
Lugg1 votesAmen brother!
SwapShadows1 votesYeah,that's cause people hate when riot plays favorites,there are about 100 champions who need buffs more than zed does. I thought anyone could get that simple logic,I guess I was wrong.
and then you realize that Zed does need buffs considering how bad his late game is.
also how much counterplay he has
also why pros all dropped him
manbearswine2 votesand then you realize that Zed does need buffs considering how bad his late game is.
Wait,wait,wait,so zed with his very safe and strong laning,on top of his insane pressure in the mid game through roam has some sort of a weakness lategame?!
OMFG BUFF THIS THING,FAST!
also how much counterplay he has
Yes,in contrast to skillshot based mages,he has so much more counterplay,what exactly are you comparing him to? le blanc?
also why pros all dropped him
He actually sees play here and there,while you know,there are so many champions who haven't seen play in years. Zed isn't the most op shit for 2 seconds? omfg,buff it,fast!
Zyra hasn't been seen anywhere in years? Meh,she's toxic,also lacks counterplay,and she is strong,people don't play her cause sheep,hurr,durrr,hurrrrr,durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Poske1 votesLe bl is actually getting nerfed with buffs to magic ressist items (She can be hard countered with just an early negatron...) .. And this ultra mini buff wont matter
Le bl has a lee sin syndrome . Players who arent on lcs are weak with her (Unless they are high elo + main her) So you shouldnt be worried about le bl because she is underpowerd at your elo
If she is viable in lcs then she is almost balanced in your elo (Still more on the up side)
I dont know what buffs zed is getting. I doubt he needs them because of armor nerfs..
Galio zyra and veigar arent really fun to play
Galio has insane winrate since last buff Veigar was buffed recently..after the rework
Zyra is complicated champ to balance
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Le bl is actually getting nerfed with buffs to magic ressist items (She can be hard countered with just an early negatron...) ..
I can seriously say this about everything which deals mostly magic damage,le blanc is no different.
And this ultra mini buff wont matter
So why do it then? She's obnoxious,either rework her or leave her be.
Le bl has a lee sin syndrome . Players who arent on lcs are weak with her (Unless they are high elo + main her) So you shouldnt be worried about le bl because she is underpowerd at your elo If she is viable in lcs then she is almost balanced in your elo (Still more on the up side)
Not really,she is overplayed by people who can't play her yes,but there are people in this elo who can still abuse her.
I dont know what buffs zed is getting. I doubt he needs them because of armor nerfs..
Galio zyra and veigar arent really fun to play
Not really,all are fine.
Galio has insane winrate since last buff
Aren't we past the point of obsessing with that stupid number?
Veigar was buffed recently..after the rework
The rework was made because they were afraid of a strong veigar,so how about make him strong then,maybe he will gather some players that way,variety is a nice thing to have. Nvm,clearly buffing zed is a priority,guy needs to see more play.
Zyra is complicated champ to balance
Really isn't,it's just that everytime they consider doing something about her,they suddenly remember ahri needs some compensation,or that kassadin needs another rework.
Poske1 votesI am midlane main And le bl is one of my mains so I think I know what counters le bl...
I have seen people making me useless with negatron (which is getting buffed) and that only happend on le bl and why is that a case? Because Le bl is supposed to snowball a lane and negatron just negates that.
I havent seen people in high elo building negatron against me often unless I am Le bl at which point they often rush abysal
Le bl is one of the most unique champions in the game If she needs a rework then we should rework league of legends
I understand there are plenty of player who cant handle her
I havent seen good Le bl below diamond yet. And I played really a lot of games I dont know whats your divion but you are fine as long as you win the game you can lose a lane. Le bl is really weak nowdays so they gave her this mini buff .. which wont change anything honestly due to negatron buff
People find champions who excell at killing abnoxious even if they cannot close out games. Destroying a nexus is the only thing that matters in the end . So dont bother if Le bl kills you few times she will probably be useless later on unless she knows what she is doing and even then she is not that potent to carry
I find zyra galio and veigar boring .. Popularity speaks for itself
And yeah winrate is a good measure As long as you understand that high skillcap champions should have lower winrate and easy champions should have higher
We might see galio at lcs because last buff was good
I dont care if veigar gets buffed honestly. But it should be a significant buff if you want to see him on the pro play
Never saw a release zyra? Champion power budget is to low for zyra she needs more power to be fun and she cant have it And she is kinda problematic since she became a support
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I am midlane main And le bl is one of my mains so I think I know what counters le bl...
Yes,I heard this kind of nonsense a lot when le blanc was 100% pick/ban in competitive,pros sure could learn something from you as to what her counters were.
The champion is retarded,it has no counters when strong.
I have seen people making me useless with negatron (which is getting buffed) and that only happend on le bl
Defensive items always worked that way in mid lane vs mages in general,people tend to deal with it by shoving the lane and roaming,and I'm sure you are aware of that.
and why is that a case? Because Le bl is supposed to snowball a lane and negatron just negates that.
Eh no,riot is in fact against lane bullies,le blanc is supposed to do some combination of shit on her opposing laner and shit on all other lanes,and the game in general.
If they rush negatron,that should give you an advantage in shoving them in and roaming.
I havent seen people in high elo building negatron against me often unless I am Le bl at which point they often rush abysal
I have seen people rush abyssal against a wide variety of mages.
Le bl is one of the most unique champions in the game
Her uniqueness lies in the fact you can't do shit about her,she does whatever she can,either it's enough or it isn't,this isn't a good way to be unique.
If she needs a rework then we should rework league of legends
Yeah no,and she definitely needs to be reworked to have more meaningful openings.
I understand there are plenty of player who cant handle her
That's because for a very long period of time she couldn't be handled,ergo 100% pick/ban in competitive,all you were capable of doing is hope your opponent was bad.
I havent seen good Le bl below diamond yet. And I played really a lot of games
What exactly is a good lb below diamond is even supposed to look like to a diamond player? A bad player,who is a good lb? I'm diamond myself,I just got placed in plat 2 after promos,I'll get diamond again when I can be bothered with ranked.
I dont know whats your divion
Nobody does,I never actually bothered to fully calibrate in ranked,I generally just get my diamond border and go back to playing normal draft,I did get diamond 4 last season however.
but you are fine as long as you win the game you can lose a lane. Le bl is really weak nowdays so they gave her this mini buff .. which wont change anything honestly due to negatron buff
Of course it will,negatron isn't something the top laner or bot lane will rush,and it will give her an advantage in pushing the lane in order to roam,it also isn't something which fits the build of plenty of mages.
People find champions who excell at killing abnoxious even if they cannot close out games. Destroying a nexus is the only thing that matters in the end . So dont bother if Le bl kills you few times she will probably be useless later on unless she knows what she is doing and even then she is not that potent to carry
I guess thresh is underpowered then,he can't close out games either. Hell,janna can't do shit on her own,please big buffs. It's as if melting enemy carries instantly from a mile away can win games.
I find zyra galio and veigar boring .. Popularity speaks for itself
Yes,it speaks that the champions are shit.
And yeah winrate is a good measure As long as you understand that high skillcap champions should have lower winrate and easy champions should have higher
So do explain to me viktors winrate,I mean he's a simple champion,with ~50% winrate,I guess he needs buffs then.
We might see galio at lcs because last buff was good
Maybe as some hyper situational pick,and even then unlikely.
I dont care if veigar gets buffed honestly. But it should be a significant buff if you want to see him on the pro play
Okay?
Never saw a release zyra?
Never saw release xin?
Champion power budget is to low for zyra she needs more power to be fun and she cant have it
That's just a random statement,zyra needs more power to not be a trash tier pick,and to be fun she needs to leave the trash tier,her only issue with power budget is that her competition has a much larger budget.
And she is kinda problematic since she became a support
Really isn't,she was fine(as a support and a midlaner) for a very long period of time,then a bunch of nerfs to her competition happened(talking about support),which made her reach the top three,which was unacceptable as only thresh is allowed to be in there,so they fixed that.
Poske1 votesLe bl doesnt have strong counters?
Zed is strong counter Ahri is strong counter Sivir is strong counter
There are unkillable champions for her which scale better so they sort of counter her xd (Lux, ori)
Le bl has tone of counters. I understand that is confusing why negatron counters her but just try it next time you are up against her. Its really efective vs her
People do buildy abysall often but I am certain its not because of a mage . Its because their team needs mr pen and enemy team has lots of magic dmg.
Another easy way to counter le bl is boots + pots start . Le bl has really low winrate against katarina mainly because they rush boots rendering them hard to hit with w on top of pot sustain
Pro players are afraid to inovate. I am sure they would do amazingly against le bl with boots + 3 health pots and 1 mana pot
Thresh can close out a game with single q landed thats way easier then what le bl has to do Janna cant thats true but she isnt supposed to she has a mage and adc in her team who ll do that
Le bl is unique in a way of biggest variety of viable combos and adaptability .I main her because she is the champion who makes you think the most how to abuse her to the fullest I ll say it again the day that riot decides le bl needs a nerf they could as well rework league of legends
veigar and zyra are boring . They are perfectly viable out of lcs though
Viktor/Ahri/Azir are strongest midlane champs this patch. They could only use nerf Oh and viktor is medium in terms of skillcap not easy
Galio got huge damage buff and they are buffing mr items. Just wait for it
I saw release xin. Jax,trynda , malphite were still stronger back in the old days
Zyra is kinda boring and riot cant really make her more fun since they would have to buff her She kinda doesnt work in lcs but then again i am sure she works for the rest of the playerbase
Idk man zyra is supposed to be a zone mage not the ADC bitch
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Le bl doesnt have strong counters?
Nope.
Zed is strong counter
Not really.
Ahri is strong counter
It get's so random,some people tell you pick lb to counter ahri,other tell you to pick ahri to counter lb,they don't counter each other,one is just stronger,and both are capable of dealing with each other it just depends on who is strong at that time.
Sivir is strong counter
Sivir just means you can't jump on her(though she still won't kill you) when she is aware of you and has her spellshield up,it's neat and all,but far from a counter,lbs burst is ridiculously fast,unless you have sight on her at best you'll react to her e.
There are unkillable champions for her which scale better so they sort of counter her xd (Lux, ori)
Lb is actually great at destroying and roaming against both of these,as negatron is pretty bad for both of them.
Le bl has tone of counters. I understand that is confusing why negatron counters her but just try it next time you are up against her. Its really efective vs her
If lb had actual counters than she wouldn't have been 100% pick/ban in competitive last time she was strong,if she's against something which can build negatron(like diana),or bulky(like chog),she will shove and roam,if she's against a squishy she will abuse her 0 counterplay to destroy them in lane.
People do buildy abysall often but I am certain its not because of a mage . Its because their team needs mr pen and enemy team has lots of magic dmg.
Not really,if it makes sense on the champion(diana for example) and you're against a mage then you generally go for it,definitely if your against one of the more retarded ones(like le blanc).
Another easy way to counter le bl is boots + pots start . Le bl has really low winrate against katarina mainly because they rush boots rendering them hard to hit with w on top of pot sustain
She does poor against kata due to her high instant burst.
Pro players are afraid to inovate. I am sure they would do amazingly against le bl with boots + 3 health pots and 1 mana pot
Yes,they play support trundle and before that support veigar and they are afraid to innovate. Sure.
Thresh can close out a game with single q landed thats way easier then what le bl has to do
jumping at insane speed on a target an instagibbing them is hard?
Janna cant thats true but she isnt supposed to she has a mage and adc in her team who ll do that
No no no,she can't take down towers herself,can't even do anything alone,needs massive buffs,I mean if le blancs inability to take down towers makes her weak even though she can instagib carries from miles away,then janna definitely needs massive buffs.
Le bl is unique in a way of biggest variety of viable combos and adaptability .I main her because she is the champion who makes you think the most how to abuse her to the fullest
I've played enough games vs le blanc to tell you that what distinguishes her from the vast majority of champions is the fact there is absolute shit you can do about her.
I ll say it again the day that riot decides le bl needs a nerf they could as well rework league of legends
Again,you are just being in denial in how horrendously toxic the champion is,if she is such a good character why is it that she can have 48% winrate and 80% banrate(last time she was competitively dominant),in contrast viktor has a higher winrate and a lower banrate right now. Clearly she is wildly despised because her kit is horrible,you can be delusional all you want,but the community will constantly pressure riot to not allow her to be strong unless she is reworked,her kit is simply cancer as it is right now.
veigar and zyra are boring . They are perfectly viable out of lcs though
No,they aren't. Unless you are going to tell me "everything is viable",in which case let me remind you that some people won while intentionally feeding,veigar and zyra are both shit picks right now who rely on a combination of people forgetting what they do and a very dedicated playerbase,they are never a good pick.
Viktor/Ahri/Azir are strongest midlane champs this patch. They could only use nerf
Azir is at 46% winrate,that doesn't help your argument.
Oh and viktor is medium in terms of skillcap not easy
Now you are just lying,viktor IS easy,zyra is a harder champion than viktor,so is veigar.
Galio got huge damage buff and they are buffing mr items. Just wait for it
I'm tired of hearing this,it's always wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...ok 3 years have passed nothing happned. Just wait some more.
I saw release xin. Jax,trynda , malphite were still stronger back in the old days
So why bother mentioning release zyra then?
Zyra is kinda boring
What sort of a statement is that,what is she boring compared to? nami? soraka? taric? brand? heimer?
You are just spewing nonsense right now,just because her kit isn't the cancer that is lb or fizz doesn't make her boring.
and riot cant really make her more fun since they would have to buff her
You can't make a shit champion fun without buffing them? REALLY? I'm shocked.
She kinda doesnt work in lcs but then again i am sure she works for the rest of the playerbase
Really doesn't.
Idk man zyra is supposed to be a zone mage not the ADC bitch
Not really,zyra is supposed to be a champion in this game(one which actually get's updated to keep up with the current meta once in a while),it's up to the playerbase to decide where she goes.
Poske1 votesLe bl has counters
If zed and ahri cant beat le bl sorry but they are awfull then and shouldnt call themself zed and ahri mains if they do. I have seen zed and ahri players who knew excatly how to beat me I also saw players who have no idea what they are doing and just blindly listen to Lol counter sites
Same as all those pointless galio picks . Galio doesnt counter Le bl
Back when Le bl was popular we saw ton of zed picks because he counters her If orianna / lux die to le bl they are trash
How can le bl roam vs waveclear champs? . They suck if they let her roam its quite simple . And if Le bl roams then she is risking minions and possibly tower
As long as lux/ori constantly push against her she is nulified. They should just push > fall back get raptors or ward somewhered . Since there is no point in bullying le bl Unless lux hits her with q then she should unload her combo
Le bl is at 44% winrate atm so you dont have to worry
Will we see le bl at worlds? I doubt it this buff wont be enough on top of more mr from items. Mr items are more effective vs burst dmg then sustained damage which all just screams more azir more azir
Le bl has nice matchup into azir and viktor but ahri is really strong so we ll see if they think she is worthy practicing
What you dont seem to understand is . If Le bl is a constant pick at lcs then she becomes balanced to the rest of community. If she becomes popular people ll whine even if she is balanced and that understandable
This is an actualy reason why champions like lee sin/azir/le bl riot wants to be viable at lcs. Because then the rest of community can play them without being underwelming.
If none at lcs picks lee sin/azir / le bl then they are Old URGOT tier for the rest of community
Le bl is good at wining lane but bad at wining game
Dont get me wrong I would like to see more LCS variety. But riot has to step up their balance I would never pick veigar over syndra/viktor for example since they do everything better. Veigar rework was ultra fail..
I would never pick zyra over anything in midlane specially not over azir. Release of azir made zyra pointless maybe she should be pushed more into support role because donger and azir excist
But that doesnt mean this champions arent viable There are challenger Veigar and zyra mains out there..
You can reach diamond1 by being one trick pony with any champion
Le bl got nerfed when she had 45% winrate multiple times. Azir should get nerfed to As an azir main of course I dont want that but i am just being honest
I mentioned Zyra because she was released way later but nevermind that.....
Zyra is boring its quite simple ... no 1 plays her because she is boring not because she is weak. Le bl is weak at the moment and I play her because she is fun..
I am all up for more champions getting buffs But riot prefers to nerf more
I even madea thread where I state taht we should buff way more then nerf
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Le bl has counters
Nope.
If zed and ahri cant beat le bl sorry but they are awfull then and shouldnt call themself zed and ahri mains if they do. I have seen zed and ahri players who knew excatly how to beat me I also saw players who have no idea what they are doing and just blindly listen to Lol counter sites
It's funny,because pros sure didn't seem to think that way,that's why when she was strong,yes she was 100% pick/ban,but most of that was bans.
Same as all those pointless galio picks . Galio doesnt counter Le bl
Back when Le bl was popular we saw ton of zed picks because he counters her
No you saw a ton of zed because he was op himself,this game works on the concept of fight fire with fire much more than counters.
If orianna / lux die to le bl they are trash
"If a skillshot reliant champion dies to hyper mobile bullshit they are trash" yeah no.
How can le bl roam vs waveclear champs? . They suck if they let her roam its quite simple . And if Le bl roams then she is risking minions and possibly tower
If they rush negatron she should outpush them,if they don't she should faceroll them to death.
As long as lux/ori constantly push against her she is nulified. They should just push > fall back get raptors or ward somewhered . Since there is no point in bullying le bl Unless lux hits her with q then she should unload her combo
Except that you know,their mana costs aren't exactly low,and they are rather easy to gank.
Le bl is at 44% winrate atm so you dont have to worry
"Hmm this guy obviously doesn't care about winrates,I know,I'll mention them again,that'll show him!"
Will we see le bl at worlds? I doubt it this buff wont be enough on top of more mr from items. Mr items are more effective vs burst dmg then sustained damage which all just screams more azir more azir
It's riot,why do you think they are buffing her now? If this buff won't make her see competitive play,she'll get buffed again. Also I wouldn't say mr itemization is getting buffed,it's mostly coming out of locket,so squishes will be squisher,tanks/bruisers will be tankier,le blanc aims at squishes.
Le bl has nice matchup into azir and viktor but ahri is really strong so we ll see if they think she is worthy practicing
Yeah,ahri is pretty bullshit right now.
What you dont seem to understand is . If Le bl is a constant pick at lcs then she becomes balanced to the rest of community. If she becomes popular people ll whine even if she is balanced and that understandable
Yeah,no,she doesn't,she'll be op everywhere else as well,she just appears statistically balanced,but same as many other champions(rengar being another obvious example,there's ofc the previously mentioned viktor,zyra,not to forget sona) she's misreprested by her winrate,after enough commitment even a silver(though how does one stay silver after playing so many games) can bring out the stupidity out of her,he will ofc do it on a silver level,but that's not the point.
This is an actualy reason why champions like lee sin/azir/le bl riot wants to be viable at lcs. Because then the rest of community can play them without being underwelming.
No,it's because they are flashy. It's the same reason they refuse to nerf thresh.
If none at lcs picks lee sin/azir / le bl then they are Old URGOT tier for the rest of community
Nope.
Le bl is good at wining lane but bad at wining game
Not really,she's great at snowballing the entire game in her favor.
Dont get me wrong I would like to see more LCS variety. But riot has to step up their balance I would never pick veigar over syndra/viktor for example since they do everything better. Veigar rework was ultra fail..
But veigar has a higher winrate than syndra,your logic is continuing to fall apart.
I would never pick zyra over anything in midlane specially not over azir. Release of azir made zyra pointless maybe she should be pushed more into support role because donger and azir excist
She was already pushed more into the support role.
But that doesnt mean this champions arent viable
Yes it does.
There are challenger Veigar and zyra mains out there..
Yes,because some people are THAT good that even playing shit champions they can get challenger,and once again,it helps that people rarely see those champions. And best part is,other challengers see them,and just realize "nah,it's just the player who is good,the champion is still garbage and as such I won't play it"
You can reach diamond1 by being one trick pony with any champion
You can do that to challenger as well,it's just a lot harder than playing champions who aren't shit.
Le bl got nerfed when she had 45% winrate multiple times. Azir should get nerfed to As an azir main of course I dont want that but i am just being honest
And here I thought he was balanced in solo q,or needed buffs,considering his winrate. You're not even listening to yourself anymore.
I mentioned Zyra because she was released way later but nevermind that.....
How is that any relevant,yes release zyra was op,so was xin,so were a lot of champions(most of them?).
Zyra is boring its quite simple ... no 1 plays her because she is boring not because she is weak.
This is such insane confirmation bias I don't even. No,zyra is not more boring than taric,no,she is not more boring than soraka,and no,she is not more boring than janna. She's not more boring than viktor,lux or brand as well. She used to be popular when she was strong,had >20% pickrate,and guess what,while at the peak of her power le broken was at 80% banrate,zyra was at 1% banrate,zyra is fine kitwise,she is just garbage power budget wise. Hell she used to have 53% winrate,20% pickrate and 1% banrate,that's more popular than ahri is right now while being weaker than ahri is right now. This is a horrible excuse,her kit is fine,she used to be popular when she was a serious pick(unlike le blanc,when zyra was strong even in competitive they rarely banned her,she was mostly just picked),she is just extremely weak right now,people try her,see that she is weak and stop,only very dedicated players keep playing her,and that's how she maintains a decent winrate.
Le bl is weak at the moment and I play her because she is fun..
le blanc got some mediocre nerfs which simply took her down the broken tier and into the second tier,she's not weak.
I am all up for more champions getting buffs But riot prefers to nerf more I even madea thread where I state taht we should buff way more then nerf
I don't think they do,they actually buff quite a lot.
Poske1 votesOh god we cant agree on anything..
Yeah zed was strong back then to but on top of being strong he also countered le bl. Casters said that.. Do i have in details explain why he counters her? Because I can do that
Back when Le bl was op meta was really shity and diversity was bad . all assasains were dominating and there werent tanks at all.
I ll also remind you that le bl become overpowerd only once. If that happens again people ll do better in countering if we assume diversity is better and that next riot patch wont ruin anything
sorry but if lux or ori have less influence on the game then le bl THEY ARE F A K I N G TRASH .. i cant describe it diffrently
Le bl has skillshots to specially now that even w is easy to dodge Lux only has to hit 1 skill to hit em all on top of it being easy to hit
le bl has higher skillcap then azir Syndra has way higher skillcap then veigar thats why she has lower winrate. Every F A K I N G challenger is aware that syndra is better version of veigar
If you ever see Le bl at 47.5% + winrate She is overpowerd at LCS
**All challenger mid mains main azir viktor and ahri.. **
Azir is still a new champion but generaly if his winrate is at 47.5 + he needs a nerf. He still need a nerf at current 46% winrate. Just take a look how many winrate skilled azir players have 125+ games compared to le bl mains
Azir playerbase is still really bad heck they even dont know how to build him
Winrate is a fantastic measure if you take into count other important variables
WW needed stupid 60% winrate to still be worse then Lee sin at lcs. Tells you a lot about ww skillcap
Veigar is outclassed by syndra velkoz and viktor even if he has higher winrate then they do
All champions are pathetic power budget wise. Thats really awkward for zyra as you can tell blitzcrank who has half of power budget in his q and etc
go at lol wiki and you ll see riot nerfs 75% of time
Riot does like lcs big plays but thats not the only reason why they buffed le bl and lee sin. They are to weak for players other then lcs players
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Oh god we cant agree on anything..
That's because your arguments are ~90% winrate based,and I think by now we've seen enough evidence to realize that simply tells little.
You can't tell me viktors current winrate makes sense,he is extremely strong AND is definitely one of the simplier mid laners,and that's probably the most obvious example atm,it's time to stop using this.
Yeah zed was strong back then to but on top of being strong he also countered le bl. Casters said that..
Casters say a lot of things,a lot of it nonsense,if le blanc had any meaningful counters people wouldn't be so eager to fp it.
Do i have in details explain why he counters her? Because I can do that
It's senseless,whatever your arguments are from my experience nothing worked and competitive play supports that.
Back when Le bl was op meta was really shity and diversity was bad . all assasains were dominating and there werent tanks at all.
News flash: tanks are once again dead. Frankly I'm pretty sure if you'll let pros adapt meta will go to shit once again,balance has simply been chaos(which is good,except that we are buffing and nerfing the wrong champions,assassins are already strong,tanks are already weak)
I ll also remind you that le bl become overpowerd only once. If that happens again people ll do better in countering if we assume diversity is better and that next riot patch wont ruin anything
Her kit is bullet proof,and you will see that,if she becomes dominant she will go back to 100% pick/ban,the only thing maybe capable of actually countering her is kassadin,and that one is a gaylord in his own right.
sorry but if lux or ori have less influence on the game then le bl THEY ARE F A K I N G TRASH .. i cant describe it diffrently
I guess all those pro players who couldn't just ez counter lb with lux/ori are fucking trash,they should replace them with you.
Le bl has skillshots to specially now that even w is easy to dodge
she dashes at you then shotguns you with her e,and they are reducing half of the nerf on her w this patch.
Lux only has to hit 1 skill to hit em all on top of it being easy to hit
and being blocked by minions,oh and if they have mobility,not easy to hit at all.
le bl has higher skillcap then azir Syndra has way higher skillcap then veigar thats why she has lower winrate. Every F A K I N G challenger is aware that syndra is better version of veigar
And how much play does syndra see? a pick here and there? so if she's so much better than veigar,and isn't too great herself,what does that make of veigar?
If you ever see Le bl at 47.5% + winrate She is overpowerd at LCS
and solo q.
**All challenger mid mains main azir viktor and ahri.. **
Not all,but most.
Azir is still a new champion but generaly if his winrate is at 47.5 + he needs a nerf. He still need a nerf at current 46% winrate. Just take a look how many winrate skilled azir players have 125+ games compared to le bl mains
Azir has been out for long enough not to be new anymore. So wait let me get this straight,le blanc>azir on skill cap,and azir at 46% winrate is still op,but le blanc at 48% winrate is balanced in solo q? you realize that's incredibly incoherent right?
Azir playerbase is still really bad heck they even dont know how to build him
It's not like the current le blanc player base is great either,according to champion.gg the average azir player has 35 games on him,le blanc has 52,zyra has 148(in mid,and 128 as a support).
Winrate is a fantastic measure if you take into count other important variables
If winrate tells you that viktor is a high skillcap champion,then it's a shit measure. You can't explain his winrate,winrate tells little.
WW needed stupid 60% winrate to still be worse then Lee sin at lcs. Tells you a lot about ww skillcap
Veigar is outclassed by syndra velkoz and viktor even if he has higher winrate then they do
Velkoz has a higher winrate than veigar,in fact velkoz has a very high winrate. I'd also say velkoz is harder than viktor,and has a higher winrate,so I guess velkoz is stronger than viktor right? This shit doesn't work,winrate tells shit.
All champions are pathetic power budget wise.
Tell that to thresh,tell that to azir,tell that to ahri.
Thats really awkward for zyra as you can tell blitzcrank who has half of power budget in his q and etc
yes,meanwhile taric feels great to play,that's why he is more popular than zyra.
Riot does like lcs big plays but thats not the only reason why they buffed le bl and lee sin. They are to weak for players other then lcs players
Nope,100% cause flashy,zyra has been weak for everyone for years,lee sin sorta slight fell off? buffs inc.
Poske1 votesLe blanc no Longer has silence and she was nerfed several times she deserves that mini revert. In fact if Riot wants to see her at LCS she probably deserves more.
I am not saying she deserves a buff over other champions. I am fine with LE bl being weak for a while if they buff other champions who werent good for a while
This is how zed counters le bl. When she dashes towards you with her QW combo zed puts his shadow under her retreat mark and instantly dashes there juking her w . And once Le bl comes back to the w she loses a trade sometimes she even has to flash. He can also nulifiy her fast Burst with r
In order to kill zed you are forced to outplay him with le bl Which is hard TRUST ME since fight of this 2 tends to be confusing.
This is how syndra/ahri counter le bl . Well syndra can move while casting abilites if you are good she wont hit you and you ll be able to hit her back . If you stun her she is death. Clone is useless in this matchup since she kills you once you are 40% hp or simply aoe both you and clone (extra 25 gold). She can also easly stop Le bl W midair and totaly fuck her up
If syndra gets ahead on Le bl its gg basicly. Syndra is one of my mains (y I main a lot of champs) and I use her as a counterpick to le bl.
Ahri can charm her midair and also sustain her poke. While her waveclear is pathetic (Lets face it minions always survive that q unless you have some insane runes/masteries) her roaming potentional is just as good
And you are right Kassadin counters her totaly forgot about that cancer
Now assuming ori/lux take heal as summoner spell they are impossible to kill Anivia also does well against le bl her egg is just!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So just dont tell me that le bl doesnt have counters. This is just scratching the surface. There is still Malzahar good luck against it . Suprisingly from my experience even karthus is good against her because no matter how much you destroy him he ll outscale you and win unless you close out game really fast
**What am I saying is Le bl definetly has counters. ** There are champions I avoid picking Le bl into for a reason But yeah if Le bl becomes viable at worlds she ll work at solo q at our quite high elo level . She ll still suck in gold and below since they have no idea what they are doing with her
You are wrong about viktor skillcap . I think velkoz is easier for example and I actually have no idea why there are no velkoz players at LCS however **I guarantee you ll see Velkoz at worlds **
I am not saying viktor is hard I think both him and velkoz are average in terms of skillcap You have to keep in mind viktor has to control his ultimate while controling himself and that he has to land the perfect lazers (Since in every situation there is ideal way to laser enemies)
Azir playerbase is bad Le bl playerbase is bad
well to be more accurate not that they are bad its just that they cant abuse this 2 unless they have 125+ games on them and even then..
I would consider azir and le bl balanced at exatly 46% winrate. Though I have no idea how azir already has 46% winrate. Maybe the meta doesnt fit him but he definetly should have more winrate.. but then again as I said azir playerbase is worse then le bl playerbase. He also require specific runes so probably thats the reason his winrate isnt a bit higher...
Thresh is perfect example why power budget in lol is weak Just take a look at his ultimate
Its 3 times weaker version then veigar e
The fact that thresh cant have stronger ultimate is sad
He would be more enjoyable if all of his walls did dmg(Not a lot though) and if they would knockback instead of slow (;
Azir cant even have his soldiers apply nashor on hit effect which just screams that it should be his core item.
Ahri doesnt really tell that power budget in Leauge is low . But if you take a look at lolwiki she was nerfed ton of times however she isnt any less fun. Limited league of legends power budget didnt hit her
They are buffing lee sin for community not for lcs. You can see the post about this on surrender at 20
Though it is suspicious They do have good reasoning for it XD
LCS big flashy plays incoming
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Le blanc no Longer has silence and she was nerfed several times she deserves that mini revert. In fact if Riot wants to see her at LCS she probably deserves more.
You realize that what got her out of the broken tier was a hitbox nerf on her e and the missle speed nerf on her w right? I mean I'm not sure if it'll be enough to make her see competitive play(if not expect more buffs),but it might be.
I am not saying she deserves a buff over other champions. I am fine with LE bl being weak for a while if they buff other champions who werent good for a while
You will still eventually come back to her gameplay,I mean even if her counter kass would be buffed she would still be very problematic,where either she gets countered by kass then he shits on the game with his stupid mobility and lack of counterplay,or she counterpicks whatever she is against and shits on the game with her stupid mobility.
She needs MEANINGFUL openings,not 0.4 seconds to react to her w(because once you factor in human reaction time,ping,cast time+travel time of abilities,that just doesn't work).
This is how zed counters le bl. When she dashes towards you with her QW combo zed puts his shadow under her retreat mark and instantly dashes there juking her w .
too bad he can't do that,living shadow(his w) has a 1500 travel speed,lb w has 1300 now(and will have 1450),if you are scripting,sure,otherwise,no.
And once Le bl comes back to the w she loses a trade sometimes she even has to flash. He can also nulifiy her fast Burst with r
Which she will be fine with as she will just force him to spend his ult,then reactivate her w,her ult has a lower cd,she is fine with this trade.
In order to kill zed you are forced to outplay him with le bl Which is hard TRUST ME since fight of this 2 tends to be confusing.
le blanc is a very binary champion,zed has no counter mechanics to her(only kass does) it just comes down to numbers.
This is how syndra/ahri counter le bl . Well syndra can move while casting abilites if you are good she wont hit you and you ll be able to hit her back .
This is just retarded,I can say the same for le blanc,just that unlike you syndra doesn't have the mobility to help her dodge,syndra's skillshots are also harder to land.
If you stun her she is death. Clone is useless in this matchup since she kills you once you are 40% hp or simply aoe both you and clone (extra 25 gold). She can also easly stop Le bl W midair and totaly fuck her up
You can also gank syndra,le blanc is ungankable. Le blanc can easily win this matchup with her mobility,when you factor the fact syndra can be ganked it get's even worse,definetly a matchup in favor of le blanc.
If syndra gets ahead on Le bl its gg basicly. Syndra is one of my mains (y I main a lot of champs) and I use her as a counterpick to le bl.
Except that if le blanc gets ahead on syndra it's even more gg.
Ahri can charm her midair and also sustain her poke. While her waveclear is pathetic (Lets face it minions always survive that q unless you have some insane runes/masteries) her roaming potentional is just as good
Yes,yes,Ahri is retarded right now.
And you are right Kassadin counters her totaly forgot about that cancer
Basically the only champion in this game who can actually kill her without her misplaying hard.
Now assuming ori/lux take heal as summoner spell they are impossible to kill
If only you had ignite...
Anivia also does well against le bl her egg is just!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anivia can lane well again le blanc,she has other issues out of lane,once laning is over her kit is incredibly ineffective vs le blanc.
So just dont tell me that le bl doesnt have counters. This is just scratching the surface.
No,this is a lot of guys who can sort of deal with her in the 1v1 matchup,once again,there's a reason nobody bothered with them in competitive when le blanc was strong,they don't really counter her(except kass,but he alternates in power).
There is still Malzahar good luck against it . Suprisingly from my experience even karthus is good against her because no matter how much you destroy him he ll outscale you and win unless you close out game really fast
You really should try playing around her strengths and teamfight less.
**What am I saying is Le bl definetly has counters. **
Really doesn't.
There are champions I avoid picking Le bl into for a reason
Yes,ahri is retarded,we know. Ban ahri,problem solved.
But yeah if Le bl becomes viable at worlds she ll work at solo q at our quite high elo level . She ll still suck in gold and below since they have no idea what they are doing with her
I'm not sure she will,I've seen people with 200 games on a champion in gold,It's just going to be masked by a lot of people who aren't good at her,but I'm pretty sure even golds can abuse any champion(though the question as to how they manage to remain gold comes up).
You are wrong about viktor skillcap .
No,no I'm not. There really is nothing to the guy,you are just using it as an excuse to justify his winrate,if I told you his winrate was high you would've said he is easy.
I think velkoz is easier for example and I actually have no idea why there are no velkoz players at LCS however **I guarantee you ll see Velkoz at worlds **
That's an odd guarantee to make,I mean they are buffing him I guess,but I seriously doubt that,he has his issues(even if they aren't too big).
I am not saying viktor is hard I think both him and velkoz are average in terms of skillcap
Velkoz q is quite hard to master and takes good reaction times,viktor just has nothing,nothing,he is annie tier of complex.
You have to keep in mind viktor has to control his ultimate while controling himself
so does annie.
and that he has to land the perfect lazers (Since in every situation there is ideal way to laser enemies)
I can say that about any aoe skillshot,viktor just has more freedom to position himself,if anything that only makes him easier.
Azir playerbase is bad Le bl playerbase is bad
well to be more accurate not that they are bad its just that they cant abuse this 2 unless they have 125+ games on them and even then..
I would consider azir and le bl balanced at exatly 46% winrate.
You realize winrate isn't a static thing,it depends on the playerbase,as in a more dedicated playerbase(like for example zyra has) would cause them to rise in winrates(in fact it would cause anyone to rise in winrates),even if their kits remain the same. Winrate balancing doesn't work.
Though I have no idea how azir already has 46% winrate. Maybe the meta doesnt fit him but he definetly should have more winrate.. but then again as I said azir playerbase is worse then le bl playerbase. He also require specific runes so probably thats the reason his winrate isnt a bit higher...
Or you should really drop the winrate argument.
Thresh is perfect example why power budget in lol is weak Just take a look at his ultimate
Its 3 times weaker version then veigar e
Veigar e deals no damage,veigar can't flay you into his ult either.
The fact that thresh cant have stronger ultimate is sad
I will weep for him.
He would be more enjoyable if all of his walls did dmg(Not a lot though) and if they would knockback instead of slow (;
Ok no problem,just delete his lantern,and add 4 second cd to his flay,oh,and remove his range,he should've been a melee champion.
Azir cant even have his soldiers apply nashor on hit effect which just screams that it should be his core item.
Ahri doesnt really tell that power budget in Leauge is low . But if you take a look at lolwiki she was nerfed ton of times however she isnt any less fun. Limited league of legends power budget didnt hit her
She's been nerfed multiple times because she is BS,and also keeps getting buffed,her kit isn't any less fun because she is op bullshit.
They are buffing lee sin for community not for lcs. You can see the post about this on surrender at 20
Oh please,as if it would be the first time riot lied to us,you are talking about the same people who called vayne's aa-e-aa combo "hidden power"(what's next? is alistar q-w combo hidden power as well?). The same people who said mid zyra was "too strong as well". The same people who said support zyra doesn't see play because annie overshadows her.(LOL) What is one lie more?
Though it is suspicious They do have good reasoning for it XD
It's not good reasoning,it's a standard excuse,there's a slight bit of truth to it just enough to fool those who want to be fooled.
LCS big flashy plays incoming
Yep.
Poske1 votesLoL man if Le bl uses q on you early game you can easly say she ll cast w. Because that combo is kinda predictable in early game zed can easly dodge le bl w with his
You didnt fully understand how zed counters le bl . Because you said zed wastes ultimate and I meant he dodges with w
You still deny Le Bl has counters LOLOLOOLOLOL? . Do I have to show you gameplay for gods sake?
I state from lots of experience . Do you even have experience in this matchup?
Last time I was against le bl with syndra. She raged whole game because I would just r instakill her AND that was before latest syndra nerfs. Literaly just R And i killed her 3-4 times like that
Syndra snowballs harder then le bl. And she aint that easy to gank but whatever
Le blanc is a lane bully Of course she is strong early game even if you counter her. You cant expect automatin win against any lane bully even if you counter her with something as disgusting as malzahar
If you go even with Le bl on lane you ll mostlikely win the game
Garen is binary champion Vladimir is binary champion
Le bl is opposite of it. She is way to versitalile and unpredictable in good hands. Maybe you find Le bl binary in some way but I doubt she is binary in any way
I want viktor nerfed But i do not consider him easy I also dont consider him hard . He has decent skillcap imo
VEIGAR E STUNS and stops dashes ON TOP OF ACTUALLY having range and low cooldown compared to thresh ultimate
What the point of giving that stupid argument (Does damage you can flay into wall) . We both know veigar e is 3412313x times better then thresh r
I am aware that winrate isnt the best argument to give. Since its not 100% accurate
But Its the best we have got to determine how strong champion is. On paper lots of champions who are weak are strong and vice versa
Oh and removal of the vayne AA after E combo was ONE OF THE MOST FUCKING DISGUSTING CHANGES RIOT DID ..
I ll never stop being salty about that change ITS absolutely cancer change. I am sure no one in riot MAINS vayne because they would never make so disgusting change if they did
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LoL man if Le bl uses q on you early game you can easly say she ll cast w. Because that combo is kinda predictable in early game zed can easly dodge le bl w with his
So q him,walk to the side,then e him in the face,even better.
You didnt fully understand how zed counters le bl . Because you said zed wastes ultimate and I meant he dodges with w
No you said he can dodge her burst with his r.
You still deny Le Bl has counters LOLOLOOLOLOL? . Do I have to show you gameplay for gods sake?
This isn't going anywhere,I've already told you,if she actually had counter she wouldn't have been 100% pick/ban in competitive and higher levels of solo q.
I state from lots of experience . Do you even have experience in this matchup?
I've seen it enough from the side(even though I have played it a little),to know that if le blanc is any good she will always win,then the nerfs hit,that was pretty good.
Last time I was against le bl with syndra. She raged whole game because I would just r instakill her AND that was before latest syndra nerfs. Literaly just R And i killed her 3-4 times like that
Must have been super fed.
Syndra snowballs harder then le bl. And she aint that easy to gank but whatever
Nothing snowballs harder than lb(Well in mid lane at least,aside from fizz I guess),you need mobility and targeted burst to snowball hard,yes syndra has a rather reliable stun,no it's not as reliable as le blanc jumping in your face and shotgunning you with her abilities.
Le blanc is a lane bully
God with these things.
It's a lane bully,so it's fine for it to be completely ridiculous in lane. and of course to be ungankable. oh and to be impossible to catch. oh and don't forget instagibbing targets from 3 miles away.
Because old syndra used to be simply a lane bully,she was still very vulnerable,she was still very gankable,and she had to get close to her target to kill it,and yet she still got nerfed.
Of course she is strong early game even if you counter her. You cant expect automatin win against any lane bully even if you counter her with something as disgusting as malzahar
But she on the other hand is entitled to easy wins if she gets to counter pick? Legit.
If you go even with Le bl on lane you ll mostlikely win the game
Not really,just don't group and she'll scale fine. force them to split,complement her with a splitpusher in top lane,le blanc is only behind if the enemy team get's to group,force them not to.
Garen is binary champion Vladimir is binary champion
Le bl is opposite of it. She is way to versitalile and unpredictable in good hands.
Not really,she is very predictable and is only good at one thing,however,same as rengar,you can't really do shit about it.
Maybe you find Le bl binary in some way but I doubt she is binary in any way
Same as kassadin,she just does whatever she wants,you can't effectively punishe her ,only her team if she doesn't contribute enough,but that is 100% up to her,nothing her opponents can do about it.
I want viktor nerfed But i do not consider him easy I also dont consider him hard . He has decent skillcap imo
So what mid laner has a low skillcap then? Even annie has to control her bear and has some tricks with her stun,that's about enough to match viktor in difficulty.
VEIGAR E STUNS and stops dashes ON TOP OF ACTUALLY having range and low cooldown compared to thresh ultimate
Veigars e is also delayed,veigar also is immobile paper,thresh is a tank with a gapcloser,veigar has no other cc,thresh has two other cc sources.
What the point of giving that stupid argument (Does damage you can flay into wall) . We both know veigar e is 3412313x times better then thresh r
Fine,give thresh veigar e then,but he can't flay or hook people into it however. Thresh finally out of meta,would be great.
I am aware that winrate isnt the best argument to give. Since its not 100% accurate
But Its the best we have got to determine how strong champion is.
Really isn't.
On paper lots of champions who are weak are strong and vice versa
And in practice a lot of champions with good winrate are bad,and a lot of champions with bad winrate are good.
Oh and removal of the vayne AA after E combo was ONE OF THE MOST FUCKING DISGUSTING CHANGES RIOT DID ..
Best part was calling it hidden power. "oh look a very visible combo" hidden power hurr durrrr.
I ll never stop being salty about that change ITS absolutely cancer change. I am sure no one in riot MAINS vayne because they would never make so disgusting change if they did
They would have never done it to lee sin "insecing people is hidden power,so we removed it" I would love to see that.
Poske1 votesFirst of all As one ultra skilled le bl players in this game (I am serius ) QE combo is really unpractical early game you are better of with E>q Combo
Also that has nothing to do how zed counters le bl QW. I told you already good zed ll dash towards her as she dashes on him then le bl ll W back to her demise and lose trade
Zed R can negate le bl burst really easy if he goes all in. Le bl normaly casts abilites fast you can avoid like 3 abilites with this
Le bl has 30% chance to win the 1vs1 against zed from my experience . Only time I win is when I outplay them Unless you have zhonya then later in the game its 50%
I have ZERO PROBLEM PLAYING AGAISNT LE BL . Infact i like that matchup its easy for me.
Try playing her couple of times. You ll see people are capable of countering her. Since aparently you think thats impossible
No one picks Le bl in high elo anymore NO one banns le bl in high elo anymore
Do you honestly think that she cant be just viable at lcs . Do you honestly think she can only be** OP** at lcs . I cant describe how dumb that logic is
So a champion who has the biggest variety of viable combos in the game and an ultimate who can be used in 12313 diffrent ways is binary?
In what way is Le bl predictable.
I have seen yasuo players pointless throwing walls and then I would just do one of my combos which includes lots of dashing and kill them
Yeah le bl is so predictable that I guess Yasuo players just use wall for the stlye am i right?
None experienced players have hard time reacting to le bl /kassa. But I told you already thats fine since she aint good in low elo anyway.
Binary kit is something like garen. there are no mechanics there and you always know what is he going to do
Against Good le bl you never know what she ll do. Unless you think she ll kill you no matter what which doesnt make her binary since she ll rarely kill you in same way
Highskillcap champs dont have binary kit Champions who have a choise are not binary
Annie compared to viktor doesnt have skillshots doesnt have to predict movement (While viktor has to with w). She is also binary > if you have damage just stun 100 > 0
She is overall a bit easier then viktor but they are right by side
Thresh R is an ultimate. I would go as far to say its the weakest in the game. Thresh is my most played support In the first game I ever played right after he got released I noticed that his ulti is really weak for an ultimate to the point where Veigar e outclasses it
Thresh r also has a delay 0.5 sec I believe. Veigar has like the same
If you give thresh veigar e even on standard ultimate cooldown. He becomes permabann. And why cant he flay enemies into veigar wall? Of course he could / can. Even if you code in the way he couldnt it would still be stronger then current thresh Box (Which doesnt even look like box)
You have to keep in mind thresh is a support and his ulti does singletarget damage ( Even when it used to deal aoe damage it was weaker then veigar E but not by such a huge margin)
Atleast we agree that vayne should have her e aa mechanic back...
Lee sin got a buff we get it . He doesnt deserve it over others we both know that . However its a mini buff atleast he ll be more viable for non Insecs
The Bearded Bard1 votesPlease leave Galio and Zyra out of your delusional rants.
Galio, despite him being a pretty strong pick, I'd give some quality of life buffs to, namely taking away the cast time on his E. It just feels bad to be hindered by a cast time for a movement speed ability. Other than that I think he's a great pick, and the only reason I haven't been playing him lately is because every time I go top, I've been playing Karma.
Zyra is my second most played champion and I'd say she's my third best, right behind Ziggs and Karma. When I first picked her up I thought she could use some early mana cost buffs, but now I realize that's the only thing keeping her from being the most ridiculously oppressive mid laner around. Her mana scaling is good enough that around level 9 you're good to go with just a morellos. Now the only change I'd make is normalizing her ult mana cost. Why does hers scale with levels? Very few ults do that. That being said, I'd sooner have them not change her at all because I don't like the thought of her becoming popular as a mid laner, because the last time that happened she was heavily nerfed.
Yes, I realize Zyra is primarily a support now, but personally I think her mid lane is stronger because of her incredibly good waveclear and her ability to consistently win trades even when ganked. While she does have the ability to do a lot of damage and provide utility with little gold, I prefer what she can do with a lot of gold.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Maokai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8V6dyP8y,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2015-08-09T00:54:47.488+0000)
Please leave Galio and Zyra out of your delusional rants.
Please leave your delusions out of the boards.
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=I am Maokai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8V6dyP8y,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2015-08-09T00:54:47.488+0000)
So apparently this was edited,anyway:
Galio, despite him being a pretty strong pick, I'd give some quality of life buffs to, namely taking away the cast time on his E. It just feels bad to be hindered by a cast time for a movement speed ability. Other than that I think he's a great pick, and the only reason I haven't been playing him lately is because every time I go top, I've been playing Karma.
So based on your amazing experience as a top laner,and since you apparently decided galio is a top laner,you are now saying that we shouldn't buff a champion we never get to see based on that. That's exactly the attitude which causes us to constantly choke on le blanc/fizz/zed,because riot loves them and will buff them anyway,but the community will always stifle buffs to healthier champions,so riot doesn't feel any pressure to help them,and can focus on what's really important: buffing assassins.
because the last time that happened she was heavily nerfed.
What,you mean release zyra? The last zyra nerf was over support zyra,the claim "she was too strong a mid laner as well" was riot trolling you,she barely saw play mid lane in solo q,and basically never in competitive.
Yes, I realize Zyra is primarily a support now, but personally I think her mid lane is stronger because of her incredibly good waveclear and her ability to consistently win trades even when ganked. While she does have the ability to do a lot of damage and provide utility with little gold, I prefer what she can do with a lot of gold.
Her mid lane is weaker because her weaknesses are more easily punished there,of course if people are all busy afk farming and don't really try to abuse the holes in her kit she might feel strong,but the only way to get that impression is to either very rarely play her,or to try and boost your epeen("hurr durr,me so gud,me kno how to work around zyra weaknesses,unlike all these high elo/competitive player sheep").
Meep Man1 votesThey are pretty small buffs. A 150 speed increase on LeBlanc dash and a 0.5 second quicker reactivation time on Zed R.
ScreamPaste1 votesLB is garbage right now, though, lol. She needs the buff.
manbearswine1 votesLB is garbage right now, though, lol. She needs the buff.
Was broken-> w speed 1600->1300,e hitbox 70>55,LB is now garbage.
Yeah,no.
ScreamPaste1 votesShe wasn't broken before, though. She had like a 47% winrate or something, lol. "Broken."
manbearswine1 votesShe wasn't broken before, though. She had like a 47% winrate or something, lol. "Broken."
Yes,and a 80% banrate,alongside 100% pick/ban in competitive,most of which was bans.
apparently people picking a champion they can't play somehow makes it balanced for those who know how to abuse it,makes sense.
Poske1 votesle bl never had over 47% winrate . Its not like sudendly bad players started playing le bl xd
manbearswine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8V6dyP8y,comment-id=000b0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-10T14:21:43.920+0000)
le bl never had over 47% winrate .
I think it was at 48% before her nerfs.
Its not like sudendly bad players started playing le bl xd
When something goes op in competitive a lot of people start playing it,many of whom are new to the champion.