But what about the immobile melee champions that were already having an extremely hard time dealing with him? He already hard-counters all the other tanks (and in general bruisers) in the game besides Sion and Jayce, so what'll you do when he now shoots to the very peak of the top lane food chain?
nelogis8 votesHe already hard-counters all the other tanks (and in general bruisers) in the game besides Sion and Jayce
Are you joking? (all stats taken from OP.GG)
He has a sub 45% winrate against
Quinn is even sub 40% winrate!! This is fucking sad.
He has a sub 50% winrate against
Here is a quick run down against matchups where he has a 50% or higher winrate
Thats it
Unstoppable and runs down every melee by the way. Tryndamere is a straight up dogshit champion right now.
And even after the buffs he will stay absolute dogshit.
Quepha6 votesHe hard counters all the other tanks? Aside from Sion he still does very poorly against Ornn, Malphite, Gnar, and Mundo; He doesn't do especially well against Maokai or Cho either. Really the only tank he does well against is Shen but Shen is considered pretty weak for solo queue. Tryndamere usually has a very hard time against Juggernauts which make up most of the immobile tanky champions. You seem to have a very backwards understanding of his matchups.
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Quepha5 votesStats sites disagree with you and you are out of your mind if you think Trynd has the advantage in the Gnar matchup. I don't appeal to my own experience playing Trynd, but to statistics and the expertise of Diamond+ Trynd players so it makes no sense for you to reference my own rank.
Frontline Fury2 votesHe hard counters all the other tanks? Aside from Sion he still does very poorly against Ornn, Malphite, Gnar, and Mundo; He doesn't do especially well against Maokai or Cho either. Really the only tank he does well against is Shen but Shen is considered pretty weak for solo queue. Tryndamere usually has a very hard time against Juggernauts which make up most of the immobile tanky champions. You seem to have a very backwards understanding of his matchups.
Gnar is not a tank. Just saying. And these changes make tryndamere better against ranged champions, remember? Gnar could farm relatively safe against trynd pre-6 in the past - this is no longer the case.
Cho'gath needs to hit every Q. Every single one. If he misses one, the game is over for him. He will never be able to recover, and trynd can dive him every time his ult is up.
Maokai couldn't really do anything against tryndamere even before all the tanks were gutted. The last time he was relevant would be season 6, with the sunfire + iceborn meta.
Tryndamere shits on Malphite. There's nothing Malphite can do in trynd lanes - he can only sit under turret and pray Trynd doesn't freeze the lane near his own turret, because then he'll get killed if he tries to walk into exp range.
Old Ornn could do decently against Tryndamere. New Ornn has a hard time doing decently against anyone but Nasus. Tryndamere, like Yasuo, hard counters most of the juggernauts (the exceptions being Urgot, where it's a skill / jungler matchup and Illaoi, where she just smashes her face into the keyboard and wins every matchup other than Fiora or Renekton anyway.)
In the past, Teemo and Malphite were prime counterpicks for Tryndamere. Now Tryndamere is a prime counterpick for Teemo and Malphite, because of his spin - which, this patch, got an enormous buff.
TSM Reptilian4 votesThat´s strange,I thought malphite shits pretty hard on trynd...
nelogis3 votesGnar could farm relatively safe against trynd pre-6 in the past - this is no longer the case.
Gnar would need to be mentally ill, have no arms, no monitor and would need to have a stroke and a seizure at the same time for him to die to a Tryndamere pre 6
Maokai couldn't really do anything against tryndamere even before all the tanks were gutted. The last time he was relevant would be season 6, with the sunfire + iceborn meta.
Mao is one of the hardest counters to Tryn right now
Tryndamere shits on Malphite. There's nothing Malphite can do in trynd lanes - he can only sit under turret and pray Trynd doesn't freeze the lane near his own turret, because then he'll get killed if he tries to walk into exp range.
Tryn can't deal damage to Malphite since the rework of Conq, he can't deal any damage to any tank since the Conq rework to be honest.
Or better said, he can't deal any damage to anything that has at least 1 form of defensive mechanic in their kit.
In the past, Teemo and Malphite were prime counterpicks for Tryndamere. Now Tryndamere is a prime counterpick for Teemo and Malphite, because of his spin - which, this patch, got an enormous buff.
CRTL + C OP.GG CTRL + V
Hasn't a singe game of Tryn recorded what a surprise
Frontline Fury1 votesGnar would need to be mentally ill, have no arms, no monitor and would need to have a stroke and a seizure at the same time for him to die to a Tryndamere pre 6
Mao is one of the hardest counters to Tryn right now
Tryn can't deal damage to Malphite since the rework of Conq, he can't deal any damage to any tank since the Conq rework to be honest.
Or better said, he can't deal any damage to anything that has at least 1 form of defensive mechanic in their kit.
CRTL + C OP.GG CTRL + V
Hasn't a singe game of Tryn recorded what a surprise
Tryndamere doesn't need to deal damage to Malphite. He can literally ignore him and hack away at the minion waves, forcing Malphite to use all his mana to keep it from crashing into his turret. If malphite tries to fight, walk up next to him and E away, use Q to heal any damage taken. Repeat forever - Malphite has extremely high mana costs and very long cooldowns, where Tryndamere has none.
Mao is the same except he actually has CC pre-6 and he can safely sit under turret and farm because Tryndamere can't dive him.
How to play against Gnar, step 1: Walk up to Gnar. Use W as Gnar tries to kite to slow him for 3 seconds. Now Gnar either stands and fights (and dies) or jumps away with his E (where Tryndamere E's after him). Gnar must now flash to survive Tryndamere, whereas he will be safely under his turret and Tryndamere will be largely unharmed.
Now, assuming they have their ults - Tryndamere's dash has a much, much lower cooldown than Gnar's - lowered further by crits. If the wave is frozen near Tryndamere's turret, Gnar can only farm with his Q from outside exp range if he doesn't want to lose half his health for each minion.
Most champions in League of Legends have low winrates because the majority of their players are incapable of grasping the basics of League of Legends. Riot has been nerfing more and more champions based on the elite few that are smart enough to play them to their full abilities, so giving Tryndamere a low-elo buff seems extremely hypocritical when they're simultaneously gutting other champions for high elo play.
You don't even have to be a good player to meet decent Tryndamere players. There are plenty in the middle elos (D4-D1). Naturally low elo (i4-D4) players won't be able to play him to his full abilities and thus lose matchups they should be winning. This is a fault of the players and doesn't reflect the state of the champion.
nelogis1 votesTryndamere doesn't need to deal damage to Malphite. He can literally ignore him and hack away at the minion waves, forcing Malphite to use all his mana to keep it from crashing into his turret. If malphite tries to fight, walk up next to him and E away, use Q to heal any damage taken. Repeat forever - Malphite has extremely high mana costs and very long cooldowns, where Tryndamere has none.
Malphite has absolutely no reason to not let the minions crash into his turret he has a rather easy time farming under the turret. Plus his AOE mana costs are normal, his Q is the only thing that costs a lot of mana.
Also this is basically just begging for the enemy to gank you.
Ontop of that Malphite doesn't have the need to get ahead of Tryn. Just by the nature of his kit he will come online faster than Tryn. So he has another reason to not give a shit about Tryn just perma pushing into him.
Only in the late stages of the game Tryn outscales a Malphite and I'm talking about 4+ items here, which basically almost never happens these days.
Mao is the same except he actually has CC pre-6 and he can safely sit under turret and farm because Tryndamere can't dive him.
Tryn can't do anything against him in laning phase, Mao doesn't even need to play safe what is Tryn going to do?
He doesn't deal damage to him, none, nada, nothing. This isn't a point about skill either Tryn is just unable to deal damage to Mao to a point where Mao is in kill range.
And that is exactly what a top tank wants. Just sit there and farm without ever being in danger because they will outscale their laner.
Tanks are the best class at teamfighting. If you can't get a lead on a tank in laning phase you basically "lost" the laning phase.
When tanks go uncontested in laning phase they become the meta. Remember what top was before Conqueror?
Tanks and Poke champs, nothing else.
How to play against Gnar, step 1: Walk up to Gnar. Use W as Gnar tries to kite to slow him for 3 seconds. Now Gnar either stands and fights (and dies) or jumps away with his E (where Tryndamere E's after him). Gnar must now flash to survive Tryndamere, whereas he will be safely under his turret and Tryndamere will be largely unharmed.
Your plan already failed at step 1
Like said, if Gnar has arms and a monitor he wont let you just "walk up to him" The first thing he will do is Q-Auto so you already have 2 stacks on you, now lets say you perfectly slow him on the first kite maneuver he does so thats a 30% slow, problem is he will auto you one more time and he will gain a 30% movementspeed buff, so basically he isn't slowed. This means he just slowed you with his Q but he isn't slowed himself.
He generates even more distance and stays in his kite range which either forces Tryn to E away or E into him because he can't just "walk up to him" since Gnar is stacking his shit again.
Tryn decides to be a complete fucking idiot and E's into Gnar which will let Gnar walk forward and double hop over Tryn procing his passive again and generating once again distance between him. Tryn now sits there like a duck while Gnar keeps autoing him.
That is how it will play out if you "walk up to a Gnar"
Maybe play a Tryn game against him then you'll understand.
Most champions in League of Legends have low winrates because the majority of their players are incapable of grasping the basics of League of Legends. Riot has been nerfing more and more champions based on the elite few that are smart enough to play them to their full abilities, so giving Tryndamere a low-elo buff seems extremely hypocritical when they're simultaneously gutting other champions for high elo play.
Go watch Fogged, one of THE best Tryndamere players on this world
Tell him that Tryn runs over any melee and every tank and he will ask you if you're trolling or joking or bronze.
Also by the way, Tryndamere isn't great at high elo just because of the simplicity of his kit. So him being dogshit isn't the same reason as why Ryze has such a shit winrate in SoloQ.
Ryze is actually good in the hands of a good player. Tryn is shit no matter where you play.
You don't even have to be a good player to meet decent Tryndamere players. There are plenty in the middle elos (D4-D1). Naturally low elo (i4-D4) players won't be able to play him to his full abilities and thus lose matchups they should be winning. This is a fault of the players and doesn't reflect the state of the champion.
pfffHAHAHAHA
Fogged, the guy with thousands and thousands of Tryndamere games under his belt, the guy reaching challenger season after season while one tricking Tryndamere struggles to find success with Tryndamere right now
But no, gotta find even better players than him to see how Tryndamere can be used to his full potential lol.
Hey how about you start one tricking Trynd and prove us all wrong
Or even better, how about you play at least 1 game of Tryndamere before talking about Tryndamere
Quepha1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frontline Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8RkrHW9P,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-05-14T10:31:38.022+0000)
Tryndamere shits on Malphite.
You are out of your mind.
Frontline Fury1 votesYou are out of your mind.
Why? Explain to me how, exactly, Malphite wins a tryndamere lane? Or even holds his turret against him? (Spoiler: he doesnt. Malphite needs constant jungler attention from 02:00 to even stand a chance against Tryndamere)
Quepha1 votesBy building tank and pressing the E button. I don't think he even needs to resort to Bramble Vest (but that's always an option to make winning the lane truly trivial).
Karn Bishop3 votesThis change wont even bump his winrate, 1 second CD on E means nothing, the only people who ever lose lane to tryndamere are those who don't understand how he works.